Newbie question: Valentina 2.5.8 & Rev 2.8.1 on OS
X: where's the windows vcomponents?
M Young
m.young at mac.com
Wed Feb 20 15:21:13 CST 2008
Bart,
You hit the nail on the head: "Valentina is evolving a[t] such a pace
that writing up the documentation must be a hell of a job." The
documentation and product disconnect seems like it should be a real
problem. I would think that it needs to be fixed, so that the
Valentina product line can flourish. Or, maybe the Valentina folks
believe that business is good enough. I don't know.
I will step down off my little soapbox and go back to work now.
Regards,
Michael
PS For anyone in charge reading this email, I am willing to help edit
the wiki.
On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Mr. Bart Pietercil wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I do agree (as all of us do, Ruslan included) that the wiki pages
> can do with a review by a native speaker.
> If you are long enough on the list, you may have noticed that Lynn
> and Ruslan on regular basis call upon us developer to improve the
> wiki pages by rephrasing parts that need to be rephrased.
>
> I have been doing this for a while but this is not too high on my
> priority list as the longer one uses the wiki the more it becomes
> understandable (maybe primarily for non-native speakers as we need
> to adapt our idiom to English just as the wiki has been written from
> within another idiom to English. After I while I must admit that I
> started to find it funny, but I digress...
>
> So the problem remains. Somebody native speaker English should take
> it upon them to augment the quality of the wiki pages. Of course
> they could hire somebody (well I'm not sure about the of course
> part), but , and here lies the problem I think, Valentina is
> evolving a such a pace that writing up the documentation must be a
> hell of a job.
>
> Jut my 2 (euro)cents
>
> regards
>
> Bart
>
>
> On 20-feb-08, at 21:44, M Young wrote:
>
>> Hi Bart, Martin, and others on the List,
>>
>> Bart, you make some excellent observations, but the big picture
>> issue is that new Valentina developers/users keep showing up on the
>> List with similar documentation related complaints. At some point,
>> the Valentina documentation needs to be recognized as a *major*
>> problem that needs to be fixed, no matter how the message is
>> delivered. :)
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Mr. Bart Pietercil wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> could it be possible that I am confusing you being vocal with
>>> being plain rude and agressif.
>>>
>>> Can you imaging that most of us that are helping out on the list
>>> are non-native english (writers and) speakers.
>>> Maybe it is just a cultural thing but if this response to someone
>>> that is trying to help you get started is your normal way of
>>> behaving on a list that you just subscribed to I fear that most of
>>> us will hesitate to respond.
>>>
>>> Thank you for reflecting on this
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bart Pietercil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20-feb-08, at 20:46, Russell Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> --- Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Its nice to see that only starting to work with Valentina for Rev,
>>>>> You already thinking about deployment step :-)
>>>>
>>>> The thing that got me thinking about deployment already was page
>>>> 6 of
>>>> the "Valentina 2 for Revolution Reference" pdf that I downloaded
>>>> and
>>>> was attempting to read. It points out where to look for
>>>> VComponents and
>>>> how to copy them upon deployment. All I was doing was trying to
>>>> read
>>>> and follow that based on the advice of one of the pages I landed
>>>> on in
>>>> trying to navigate your confusing wiki.
>>>>
>>>>> Short answer is:
>>>>>
>>>>> * you need Windows and V4REV_WIN install there to get
>>>>> windows DLLs.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do this on few reasons. One of them is Valentina is not small
>>>>> to
>>>>> pack all
>>>>> into single package. Second, e.
>>>> g. Is that from Windows you in any
>>>>> case will
>>>>> not be able produce MAC working app with V4REV.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not 100% sure what you're saying there. Are you saying that
>>>> it is
>>>> impossible to producing working crossplatform applications with
>>>> Valentina and Revolution unless you have both Valentina and
>>>> Revolution
>>>> licenses on each of the platforms you want to deploy on? And,
>>>> that the
>>>> free license you've given me will only allow me to deploy on one
>>>> platform? If your intention in handing out free licenses was to
>>>> increase sales, you won't win me as a customer by giving me
>>>> something
>>>> that I can't use crossplatform.
>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Also, when & where will I need the serial number that I was sent?
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks you did not read this simple tutorials:
>>>>
>>>> You're right. I never got there by following the advice in the
>>>> email
>>>> that I was sent. I'm sorry to tell you this but, your wiki
>>>> suffers from
>>>> a lack of focus, sprawl, and circular linkage. I got lost in the
>>>> maze
>>>> and ended up at a page that said to download some pdfs (one about
>>>> the
>>>> kernel and the other reference mentioned above.)
>>>>
>>>> Again, I know you're trying to increase sales with this promotion
>>>> and
>>>> you're probably sick of questions from noobs like me. However,
>>>> right at
>>>> the moment, I'm thinking more about how to remove Valentina from my
>>>> system than how to continue to learn about it. Sincerely, I hate to
>>>> tell you this, but, your website with its lack of focus, circular
>>>> linkage, and poorly written documentation make learning about your
>>>> product begin to feel more trouble than it is worth. Maybe you
>>>> should
>>>> consider getting a talented technical writer to clean things up a
>>>> bit.
>>>> I'm sure your sales would increase if getting started with your
>>>> product
>>>> wasn't so daunting.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and when you do a give away promotion, especially when you're
>>>> giving away the previous version of the product, give away
>>>> something
>>>> that is truly useful. Had I received something that I could deploy
>>>> cross platform, I might have actually used it, grown to love it and
>>>> then purchased the upgrade. As it stands now, I will probably just
>>>> slink off and think 'what a bunch of tight fisted jerks who don't
>>>> know
>>>> how to teach people how to use their product.' And if anyone ever
>>>> asks
>>>> me about Valentina I'll have to say, 'I tried to use it once.
>>>> They had
>>>> a free promo but they were only giving out licenses good on one
>>>> platform. That and their hard to navigate website and crappy
>>>> documentation kept me from ever finding out if it was worth the
>>>> trouble.'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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