Newbie question: Valentina 2.5.8 & Rev 2.8.1 on OS X:
where's the windows vcomponents?
Mr. Bart Pietercil
bart.pietercil at gmail.com
Wed Feb 20 15:01:53 CST 2008
Hi Michael,
I do agree (as all of us do, Ruslan included) that the wiki pages can
do with a review by a native speaker.
If you are long enough on the list, you may have noticed that Lynn and
Ruslan on regular basis call upon us developer to improve the wiki
pages by rephrasing parts that need to be rephrased.
I have been doing this for a while but this is not too high on my
priority list as the longer one uses the wiki the more it becomes
understandable (maybe primarily for non-native speakers as we need to
adapt our idiom to English just as the wiki has been written from
within another idiom to English. After I while I must admit that I
started to find it funny, but I digress...
So the problem remains. Somebody native speaker English should take it
upon them to augment the quality of the wiki pages. Of course they
could hire somebody (well I'm not sure about the of course part),
but , and here lies the problem I think, Valentina is evolving a such
a pace that writing up the documentation must be a hell of a job.
Jut my 2 (euro)cents
regards
Bart
On 20-feb-08, at 21:44, M Young wrote:
> Hi Bart, Martin, and others on the List,
>
> Bart, you make some excellent observations, but the big picture
> issue is that new Valentina developers/users keep showing up on the
> List with similar documentation related complaints. At some point,
> the Valentina documentation needs to be recognized as a *major*
> problem that needs to be fixed, no matter how the message is
> delivered. :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Mr. Bart Pietercil wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> could it be possible that I am confusing you being vocal with being
>> plain rude and agressif.
>>
>> Can you imaging that most of us that are helping out on the list
>> are non-native english (writers and) speakers.
>> Maybe it is just a cultural thing but if this response to someone
>> that is trying to help you get started is your normal way of
>> behaving on a list that you just subscribed to I fear that most of
>> us will hesitate to respond.
>>
>> Thank you for reflecting on this
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bart Pietercil
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20-feb-08, at 20:46, Russell Martin wrote:
>>
>>> --- Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its nice to see that only starting to work with Valentina for Rev,
>>>> You already thinking about deployment step :-)
>>>
>>> The thing that got me thinking about deployment already was page 6
>>> of
>>> the "Valentina 2 for Revolution Reference" pdf that I downloaded and
>>> was attempting to read. It points out where to look for
>>> VComponents and
>>> how to copy them upon deployment. All I was doing was trying to read
>>> and follow that based on the advice of one of the pages I landed
>>> on in
>>> trying to navigate your confusing wiki.
>>>
>>>> Short answer is:
>>>>
>>>> * you need Windows and V4REV_WIN install there to get
>>>> windows DLLs.
>>>>
>>>> We do this on few reasons. One of them is Valentina is not small to
>>>> pack all
>>>> into single package. Second, e.
>>> g. Is that from Windows you in any
>>>> case will
>>>> not be able produce MAC working app with V4REV.
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% sure what you're saying there. Are you saying that it
>>> is
>>> impossible to producing working crossplatform applications with
>>> Valentina and Revolution unless you have both Valentina and
>>> Revolution
>>> licenses on each of the platforms you want to deploy on? And, that
>>> the
>>> free license you've given me will only allow me to deploy on one
>>> platform? If your intention in handing out free licenses was to
>>> increase sales, you won't win me as a customer by giving me
>>> something
>>> that I can't use crossplatform.
>>>
>>>> -------
>>>>> Also, when & where will I need the serial number that I was sent?
>>>>
>>>> It looks you did not read this simple tutorials:
>>>
>>> You're right. I never got there by following the advice in the email
>>> that I was sent. I'm sorry to tell you this but, your wiki suffers
>>> from
>>> a lack of focus, sprawl, and circular linkage. I got lost in the
>>> maze
>>> and ended up at a page that said to download some pdfs (one about
>>> the
>>> kernel and the other reference mentioned above.)
>>>
>>> Again, I know you're trying to increase sales with this promotion
>>> and
>>> you're probably sick of questions from noobs like me. However,
>>> right at
>>> the moment, I'm thinking more about how to remove Valentina from my
>>> system than how to continue to learn about it. Sincerely, I hate to
>>> tell you this, but, your website with its lack of focus, circular
>>> linkage, and poorly written documentation make learning about your
>>> product begin to feel more trouble than it is worth. Maybe you
>>> should
>>> consider getting a talented technical writer to clean things up a
>>> bit.
>>> I'm sure your sales would increase if getting started with your
>>> product
>>> wasn't so daunting.
>>>
>>> Oh, and when you do a give away promotion, especially when you're
>>> giving away the previous version of the product, give away something
>>> that is truly useful. Had I received something that I could deploy
>>> cross platform, I might have actually used it, grown to love it and
>>> then purchased the upgrade. As it stands now, I will probably just
>>> slink off and think 'what a bunch of tight fisted jerks who don't
>>> know
>>> how to teach people how to use their product.' And if anyone ever
>>> asks
>>> me about Valentina I'll have to say, 'I tried to use it once. They
>>> had
>>> a free promo but they were only giving out licenses good on one
>>> platform. That and their hard to navigate website and crappy
>>> documentation kept me from ever finding out if it was worth the
>>> trouble.'
>>>
>>>
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