[discussion] Schema of Valentina server licensing

[RBtools]

So, what the developers could do is to form a co-op that purchases unlimited
licenses and then resells them to the group.  This way as a license is
required for a developer in the co-op it would only cost $1 and not impact
their bottom line.  This does not help Ruslan with his sales, but I did not
see anything so far that would preclude this type of purchase.

Steve

on 6/19/03 7:08 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine at public.kherson.ua wrote:

> on 6/20/03 1:23, Charles Yeomans at yeomans at desuetude.com wrote:
> 
>>> No question to you Charles.
>>> Assume you have sale 10,000 copies of your application with
>>> 5connection.
>>> Assume you have sale it at price $50-$500.
>>> So you get $500,000 - $5,000,000
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now let 5,000 your customers want to have 15 connections.
>>> So you need sale them 5,000 * (15 - 5) = 50,000 connections.
>>> Such bulk you can buy from us for $1 per connection.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So you need pay us $50,000, and you now can resale this connections at
>>> price
>>> that is acceptable on market. This is  $1-$70.
>>> Therefore you can get $50,000 - $3,500,000.
>>> 
>>> Question is, is OUR price: $50,000 sounds reasonable
>>> comparing to Developer's profit ?
>> 
>> Perhaps you mean "potential" profit; the developer must buy those
>> 50,000 connections now and attempt to resell them later.
> 
> Look, as I have told, at first Developer sale 10,000 copies of app with 5
> connection server. Developer pay ZERO to us, but make $500,000 - $5,000,000
> 
> Charles, does developer now have ability pay $50,000 ?
> As far as we see YES.
> 
> As you can see bulk payment for connection give you only 1-10% of Developer
> profit. Correct?
> 
> Next, of course only very big companies will be able buy so many connections
> at bulk. In fact we going to start from packet of 10 connection for small
> developers. 
> 
> So if count total profit of Developer
>  ($500,000..$5,000,000) + ($50,000..$3,500,000) = ($550,000..$8,500,000)
> 
> And $50,000 payment to Paradigma give: from 9% to 0.5% of total sales.
> 
> Again, this is example for big company which have big sales.
> 
> 
>>> ----
>>> Just the last 2 weeks we have hot discussion with Keith.
>>> Keith point that for developer tools price in tens of thousands of $
>>> is not
>>> acceptable. Keith point us as example codeBase.
>>> 
>>> In answer we point all other DBs such mySQL, OpenBase, ... Which all
>>> have
>>> prices several times higher for embedded solutions.
>>> 
>>> Keith say, Valentina is not the same to mySQL or openBase.
>>> I am not agree. MySQL by big letters on their site say:
>>>             "We offer embedded license"
>>> 
>>> So why Valentina is worse of mySQL???  :-)
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, I'm beginning to wonder about order of magnitude here.  If you
>> want to sell a VServer plugin for, say $999, that's one thing.  If you
>> want to sell it for $9999, then I'm pretty sure I won't be buying it.
> 
> No Charles,
> 
> Price will not be $9999.  :-)
> 
> As Lynn, have point you need just purchase membership of Valentina developer
> network, say at $600. For this price you will get a lots of goods from us
> (about $1200 in fact).
> 
> Let's all.
> 
> You can start develop your application and sale it.
> 
> You need understand just one thing. Of course you will not sale 10,000
> copies of your app in one day. Correct?
> 
> This will take on year, may be 5 years. Correct?
> 
> IF for your customers will be enough 5 connection server, then Charles, you
> DO NOT need pay us anything more. May be you will sale thousands of copies
> of your app, make millions of bucks and still pay us ZERO.
> 
> ONLY and ONLY your customer need more connections you will need buy some
> amount from us and resale it to your customer. And note, you can do this
> with significant profit!
> 
> Lynn, I have just understand, that we have like 2 different products:
>   server itself
>   connections to server.
> 
> Charles, you can consider each sold connection as a seat for your customer.
> Correct? Totte and other developers who are used to Server market, point
> that organizations can easy pay YOU $20-$70 per seat.
> 
> So Charles, after this explanation,
> you still think something is wrong?
> 
> Again:
> 
> 1) embedded server itself will not costs $9999.
>   in fact 5 connection server is FREE !!!
>   you can write even shareware utility for $20, sale million of copies
>   of this utility, make $20M of profit and pay us zero.
>   Or you can sale 100 copies of it, make $2000 and be happy.
>   At last of end this is shareware.
> 
> 2) only additional connections require additional payments.
>   but we consider Developers as MAIN partner of us.
>   So we provide huge discounts to you to allow you make huge profit
>   on this kind if sales also.
>   some profit share we want also.
> 
> 3) payments for connections can be distributed in the time significantly.
>   but the more bulk of connections you buy, the more discount you get.
> 
> What you think ?