Rich text support in VAdmin and V4MD?

Wed Jan 28 03:51:51 CST 2009

Hi Bart.

Thanks for the prompt reply. Well, the whole idea behind buying and using
the VStudio, is that it is a tool that we can give to the customers so that
they can easily fill the DB with data (which is now in Excel) whenever they
want and all the changes will automatically be displayed in Director, in the
application I have build. So, the aim is to free ourselves (the developers)
from having to mess with the DB at all, and moreover provide a complete tool
for managing the database, without us having to build it from scratch.

The solution you propose implies that we (the developers) constantly
manage/filter the data within Director in order to make changes in the
database. This is something we DON'T want to do and leave everything
concerning the database conent to the customers. I don't know if I made
myselft clear, but this is the main idea of the VStudio, I suppose; an
administrative tool of the database.

So, unless 'Ruslan and the gang' (;-) provide us with rich text capabilities
inside the VStudio, I don't think there is an easy way to do what we intend
to. Unless of course I make a program with Director to open RTF text from
disk and write the rtf property back in the database, which almost
eliminates the use of the database, since we will need to have thousands of
rtf docs in the distribution CD.

Thanks again Bart.

2009/1/28 Bart Pietercil <bart.pietercil at cognosis.be>

> Hi,
>
> why don't you use Director ?
> What I proposed was:
> 1) import the RTF's into Director Text castmembers. Here you can edit
> them as you like.
> 2) create a table inside valentina with fields castmember_id,
> castmember_name (or whatever makes you identify the correct
> textmember) and a textfield where you can store the textmembers rtf
> property.
> As a side point I still think it is better to store the html property
> (but that is not important for the workflow).
> 3) write a routine in Director to retrieve and store (update) edited
> castmembers.
>
> This way you always will be sure Director is displaying the members as
> you want.
>
> Bit (well ok, byte) confused,
>
> hth
>
> Bart
>
> On 28 Jan 2009, at 09:53, Panagiotis Apostolellis wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the info to everyone.
> >
> > I eventually managed to make it work, even with an unorthodox way!
> > The key
> > was to store the rtf encoding inside VStudio and translate the text
> > using
> > the .rtf property of Director (as Bart proposed). Unfortunately, I
> > think
> > there is no other way to get the styling from a text, like you propose
> > Ruslan.
> >
> > The bad think using this scenario is that the text must be stored
> > inside
> > VStudio using the tag-formatting of the rtf, which makes the text
> > totally
> > illegible and not editable. This means that even for simply reading
> > the text
> > you need to copy-paste it from VStudio to a text editor, then change
> > the
> > extension to rtf, open, read and edit the text, and then save it,
> > change the
> > extension to .txt, open and copy-paste (or import) the rtf format
> > back to
> > VStudio's Content Editor!!! And this must be performed only manually
> > one-by-one field!!!
> >
> > Since this is an extremely tiring and time-consuming proccess,
> > Ruslan, is
> > there any chance that you might implement an rtf field inside
> > Valentina,
> > within the near future? I mean, the complexity of the procedure is
> > solely
> > due to the fact that Valentina doesn't have the option of a
> > formatted text
> > field, which makes cumbersome solutions like this an absolute
> > necessity.
> >
> > Unless, there's an easiest solution I am missing...
> >
> > Thanks again for your feedback.
> >
> > 2009/1/23 Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua>
> >
> >> On 1/23/09 1:31 PM, "Panagiotis Apostolellis" <takis73 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Bart.
> >>>
> >>> Your info were the most helpful so far. I understand the two
> >>> methods and
> >>> have chosen the SQL way two months ago when I started using
> >>> Valentina. I
> >>> didn't understand that when Ruslan spoke about API methods he
> >>> meant the
> >> way
> >>> to manipulate the DB from within Director.
> >>
> >> I have talk not about API of Valentina
> >>
> >> I mean that in REALbasic developers have some FUNCTIONS from
> >> REALbasic
> >> itself to work with TEXT, to get charsOnly, StyleOnly()
> >>
> >> I believe such methods exists in MAC OS itself, and may be in
> >> Windows.
> >>
> >> May be they exists for Director.
> >>
> >> If not - you need check Director docs how styled text is used.
> >> Do not think on this step about DB. Think about e.g. Styled text in
> >> RAM,
> >> disk file. How Director works with this?  I am not expert of
> >> director.
> >>
> >> When you know this info, you can take a look on db side to choose
> >> how you
> >> want SAVE this styled text into db.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Ruslan Zasukhin
> >> VP Engineering and New Technology
> >> Paradigma Software, Inc
> >>
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> >>
> >> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
> >>
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