Getting out...

[Jeff Justice]

Ruslan, this is exactly the kind of stuff that has driven me away.  We  
went through this IN DETAIL, step by step.  I'm not just some idiot  
that can't launch a service via Terminal.  Once again you have missed  
the point and ignored the circumstances behind all this.

So I will detail it out AGAIN here.  The problem first came about  
because we needed to change licenses on VServer WITHOUT restarting the  
server.  Our server is remote to our development machine.  The only  
way to do this was to stop the server with VStudio, which DIDN'T  
WORK.  That problem was eventually fixed in VStudio but by this point,  
we had resorted to stopping VServer with Activity Viewer.

The first time we tried to "conveniently" restart the process by  
double-clicking on the so-called "application" that the VServer would  
launch, but become unresponsive a few seconds later.  Quitting the  
unresponsive process and subsequently trying to launch it via the  
Terminal would yield the same result, unresponsive VServer.  The ONLY  
solution at that point was to reboot the machine.

So what started the whole "application bundle" thing was:

1. You said that it was the "wrong" way to launch the server.
2. By double-click launching, it broke the server causing it to have  
to be rebooted.
3. My belief was that a double-clickable app, to be Mac compatible,  
should launch the VServer, right or wrong shouldn't be an issue.

I just tried it again, and have CONFIRMED the results.  VServer will  
become unresponsive if started after a double-click on the app, and  
nothing will make it run except a reboot.

So, in case you've missed my points:

1. I have a legitimate need to start and stop the server without  
rebooting.
2. A double-clickable app on a Mac should launch the VServer, right or  
wrong, period.  If you don't want people to launch VServer that way,  
don't bundle it in an app.  It's "wrong" use of an app bundle, to use  
your word.
3. Double-clicking the VServer app hoses our server.

Jeff J.


On Feb 12, 2008, at 1:57 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 12/2/08 12:00 AM, "Jeff Justice" <listaccount at starionline.com>  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
>> Thank you to Ruslan and all others who have helped me try and make it
>> work along the way.
>
> What I do not like when __DEVELOPERS___ say that something simple  
> not works,
> and make big noise on this.
>
> For example, yesterday on private chat you have claim that
>
>    * WHY vserve_office made as .app
>        what means it should be double clickable.
>        I have explain why -- to be all in one.
>
>    * You say that double click DO NOT starts vserver.
>        I have told you that in the past I self have check this
>        and it did work, as far as I remember.
>
>    Jeff says that vserver do not starts on double click.
>
> Okay. Lets check.
>
> 1) Open Activity monitor.
>    in the search field type two letters  "vs"
>    if vserver running now -- force it quite.
>
> 2) open folder /Library/VServer_Office.
>    trash here vserver_office.log file  -- to see it it will be created
>
> Now do double click on Vserver_Office.app
>
>    Bingo -> in the Activity monitor we see that vserver_office is  
> runing.
>    And yes, vserver.log file was created correctly.
>
> Okay, lets check if vstudio can connect to it:
>    Start vstudio, and we see Bonjour icons of vserver. All works fine.
>    Please see attached picture.
>
> Where problems ???
> What not works ???
>
> And I have told that just there is no need to start vserver in SUCH  
> way.
> But AND THIS WAY really works.
>
>
> P.S. IMHO, If somebody cannot drive F17 fighter,
>    this not means that F17 is bad :-)
>
> P.S. And I was able second time force quite vserver, and run it  
> again and
> again via double click...
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
>
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>
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