Valentina Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59
gary hayenga
vandg at speakeasy.org
Thu May 22 13:53:13 CDT 2003
Dear Veronica,
It's a beautiful day outside, though a bit cool.
I'm going to play golf after word while you're at your meeting. I am
feeling much better, but I think I'll take a cart.
The lawn guy was finishing the trimming when I left for work.
I went to the club for lunch, they're televising Annika Sorenstam's
first round on the PGA Tour. She is even par after her first 15 holes.
Pretty darn good.
I hope your day is going well.
I love you.
gary
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> 1. Re: [V4RB] design of future pluign (Totte Alm)
> 2. Re: [V4RB] design of future pluign (Ruslan Zasukhin)
> 3. Shockwave and Valentina (Giacomo Antonelli)
> 4. Re: [V4RB] design of future pluign (Christian Schmitz)
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> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:45:29 +0200
> From: Totte Alm <totte at code66.se>
> Subject: Re: [V4RB] design of future pluign
> To: Valentina Developers <valentina at lists.macserve.net>
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> torsdagen den 22 maj 2003 kl 13.22 skrev Ruslan Zasukhin:
>
>> As you can see, only few lines differ!!!
>> When we create/open database.
>>
>> All rest is totally the same. The same cursors, the same fields.
>>
>> Problem arise ONLY when we want in ONE application combine BOTH,
>> embeded
>> engine and remote client. This require some solution...
>
>
> Ruslan,
>
> the need for a "combined solution" is basically dependent on the
> following question (Firing the question to Lynn):
>
> * Will there be a price difference running an Embedded client compared
> to a ONE user Client/Server solution?
>
> If not (or minimal), then I will happily go with a one user
> client/server for many of my apps (where there will be an Option to run
> either single or multiple users). There will be a little more hazzle on
> installation, and if some user has "Application A" with a single user
> server, and then installs "Application B" with a single user server,
> which will break?
>
> // Totte
>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -
> My monitor has a knob labeled brightness.
> I turned it to the max but I still feel stupid.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:02:15 +0300
> From: Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua>
> Subject: Re: [V4RB] design of future pluign
> To: <valentina at lists.macserve.net>
> Message-ID: <BAF2B317.25C8A%sunshine at public.kherson.ua>
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> on 5/22/03 2:45 PM, Totte Alm at totte at code66.se wrote:
>
> Hi Totte,
>
> It seems many confusing here.
> Lets clarify.
>
> 1) Embedded engine for all Valentina XXX products
> you pay, $300, and get ability to develop application
> with embedded engine. No runtime fees.
> This is what we have now.
>
>
> 2) Vserver. Separate product. Will be sold on different licenses.
> - per connection
> - unlimited
>
> 3) Valentina XXXX Clients -- are FREE itself.
>
>
> Now we see that today, many developers want to have app that have both
> Embedded engine and client.
>
>
>> Ruslan,
>>
>> the need for a "combined solution" is basically dependent on the
>> following question (Firing the question to Lynn):
>>
>> * Will there be a price difference running an Embedded client compared
>> to a ONE user Client/Server solution?
>>
>> If not (or minimal), then I will happily go with a one user
>> client/server for many of my apps (where there will be an Option to
>> run
>> either single or multiple users). There will be a little more hazzle
>> on
>> installation, and if some user has "Application A" with a single user
>> server, and then installs "Application B" with a single user server,
>> which will break?
>
> Yes, Totte.
>
> If speak about Server as system level service (like OpenBase or mySQL)
> Then you can run on computer only one server. Correct?
>
> Then 2 applications may conflict. You need know 2 connections for
> server.
>
> Embedded engine do not have such conflict, because it is INSIDE of
> application.
>
> Is this your question?
>
> ------
> And Totte, between license of Embedded engine and embedded Server
> there will
> be small difference of course.
>
> Embedded engine is runtime free.
>
> If you sale your app, which require Vserver, then each your customer
> need
> get Vserver. And to make this cheap for your customer we will offer
> Embedded
> Server license. It will have price many many times less of normal
> server.
> So for you it will looks as some runtime fees.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ]
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:58:01 +0200
> From: "Giacomo Antonelli" <giacomo at nativedreams.com>
> Subject: Shockwave and Valentina
> To: "Subscribers of Valentina" <valentina at lists.macserve.net>
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> I can create a Shockwave file that can use Valentina on web? It is
> possible to make it multi-user?
>
> Thanks
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> torsdagen den 22 maj 2003 kl 16.02 skrev Ruslan Zasukhin:
>
>>
>
> Hello Ruslan,
>
>> Yes, Totte.
>>
>> If speak about Server as system level service (like OpenBase or mySQL)
>> Then you can run on computer only one server. Correct?
>>
>> Then 2 applications may conflict. You need know 2 connections for
>> server.
>>
>> Embedded engine do not have such conflict, because it is INSIDE of
>> application.
>>
>> Is this your question?
> Not really.
> The issue here was like this:
> Today: we have ONE option - embedded Valentina.
> Tomorrow we have: Embedded and Client/Server
>
> What I was looking for was the fact that I either have to have two
> versions of the app (One embedded and One thin client (wont be thin
> with the embedded inside), or I could run a "keyed" VServer for just my
> app (thats how many other do it). This VServer is "licensed", and keyed
> to ONLY accept connections from a certain app, and maybe even a single
> connection. It will run on a predefined port (to avoid collisions with
> other servers as well).
>
> I think this could be a good solution, as you would make many
> developers start to think "multi user" with single user development,
> and it will be VERY easy to just upgrade to a server that supports more
> connections (from the SAME app of cause).
>
> Just thoughts, but I'm trying to find a way to distribute an app (like
> Znippetizer-X for example), where the user has a single user setup, and
> can just connect to esellerate for example, pay for a 10 user server,
> and boom, they can now run multiple users.
>
> Payment btw:
> You should have an easy way for developers to upgrade users licenses,
> like on esellerate (and others), where a product that is for example a
> 100 user license of "the next cool app someone here makes", will
> automatically be registered, and Ruslan gets his share of the money,
> and the developer his/hers share, without a bunch of transactions (and
> waiting for the customer).
>
> Just my 2 öre
>
> // Totte
>
>>
>> ------
>> And Totte, between license of Embedded engine and embedded Server
>> there will
>> be small difference of course.
>>
>> Embedded engine is runtime free.
>>
>> If you sale your app, which require Vserver, then each your customer
>> need
>> get Vserver. And to make this cheap for your customer we will offer
>> Embedded
>> Server license. It will have price many many times less of normal
>> server.
>> So for you it will looks as some runtime fees.
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> - Don't be such a Messersmitt!
> - The correct terminology is Besserwisser.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:12:00 +0200
> From: support at monkeybreadsoftware.de (Christian Schmitz)
> Subject: Re: [V4RB] design of future pluign
> To: valentina at lists.macserve.net (Valentina Developers)
> Message-ID: <1fvdh6m.lez0zg1fwdib0M%support at monkeybreadsoftware.de>
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> You mean we can from one plugin call classes of other plugin?
>
> Yes.
>
> For myself the Discrecording, the CF Util, the Addressbook and a lot of
> more plugins use the CF classes in the CF plugin.
>
> Mfg
> Christian
>
> --
> Four thousand functions in one REALbasic plug-in. The MBS Plugin.
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