> RB 5.0b3c8 works finally with Valentina . Hallelujah Using RB 5.0b3c8 Carbon under X.2.3, I successfully ran something like 1700 V4Rb test suite tests (V4RB 1.9.7b5). :-) My V4RB app opens but locks up RB 5.0b3c8 completely when I attempt to run or compile for classic, carbon or win32 (RB bugbase # vaataxaz) :-( At least Valentina appears to now work... Keith DeLong