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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can&#8217;t tell you how many hours in my IT career I&#8217;ve
spent sorting out date and date formats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Far to many.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Where &#8220;10/09/08&#8221; could be three different dates
depending on the format.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But, once vDateFomat is set that&#8217;s it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Until you or something else resets it to another value by intent
or mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>i.e. via legacy code or via vStudio etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So I always set it just after each openDB in my project Admin
app.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And never set it in my project client app.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I could place a check in my client app.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And change it back if needed or send a message to the db admin
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
valentina-studio-bounces+barry=noodlebox.com.au@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces+barry=noodlebox.com.au@lists.macserve.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>william humphrey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 July 2008 4:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Setting system date to yyyy-mm-dd permanently<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Should this property always be set when you open the
database, everytime?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I haven't seen any examples of anyone doing this in a
Runtime Revolution use of Valentina and my present use of it on the Intel
platform seems to be fine. But the lack of examples seen is not anything new.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Would the following be corect?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>In Runtime Revolution would you do:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo</span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; get valentina_Init(
10 * 1024 * 1024,&quot;extremely_way_long_serial_number&quot;,,)</span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; DatabaseOpen</span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=apple-style-span><i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>end
mouseUp</span></i></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>on DatabaseOpen</span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; put
VDatabase_Constructor() into gDatabase</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; -- Build db full
path near to stack:</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; get the effective
filename of this stack</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; set the itemdel to
slash</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; put the (item 1 to
-2 of it) &amp; slash &amp; &quot;MyDatabase.vdb&quot; into dbPath</span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp; get VDatabase_Open(
gDatabase, dbPAth )</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp;&nbsp;-- Put the make
sure system date is set stuff here?</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp;&nbsp;VDatabase_DateFormat(&nbsp;</span></i><span
class=apple-style-span><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#142B86'>gDatabase</span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>,&quot;kYMD&quot; ) --
specifies the format of date.</span></i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp;&nbsp;VDatabase_DateSep(&nbsp;</span></i><span
class=apple-style-span><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#142B86'>gDatabase</span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>f, &quot;-&quot; ) -- separator
for date</span></i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=apple-style-span><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>&nbsp;&nbsp;--
Always set the date format everytime you open the database?</span></i></span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#142B86'>end DatabaseOpen</span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Thanks for your help...<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Morgan &lt;<a
href="mailto:joseph@checkos.com">joseph@checkos.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>I thought you have to set the date for the database each
time you open<br>
it no matter what. I always use yyyy-mm-dd. But no matter the<br>
platform, the date always reverts to something else. This is the case<br>
in vstudio and outside of vstudio (ie. realbasic or perhaps runrev). I<br>
don't think this is a bug as I am pretty sure I recall Ruslan stating<br>
that this was the intended behavior. I always run the following sql<br>
command on any database right after opening it and it always works for<br>
me:<br>
<br>
SET PROPERTY DateTimeFormat,DateSeparator,TimeSeparator OF DATABASE TO<br>
'kYMD','-',':';<br>
<br>
You may want to check out the wiki for more info but I think kMDY<br>
would give you the mm/dd/yy dates then set your date separator and<br>
that should work.<br>
<br>
<br>
Joseph<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, william humphrey wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; To add to system date and Valentina Studio date &quot;funkiness&quot;. On
an<br>
&gt; Intel Mac which has the U.S. system date (no attempt to set a custom<br>
&gt; system date to match YYYY-MM-DD there is no problem with the<br>
&gt; settings in Valentina Studio and the settings in the database<br>
&gt; changing by themselves back to mm/dd/yy.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; But it appears to happen on the older G4 Mac even to a database that<br>
&gt; is moved back and forth and used in RunRev without opening it in<br>
&gt; vStudio. There is no way I can report this to Mantis yet as I<br>
&gt; haven't figured out exactly what is causing the database to change<br>
&gt; the date settings on their own back to mm/dd/yy but it is an<br>
&gt; important bug as all sorts of crashes result when the data in the<br>
&gt; date fields are formated yyyy-mm-dd and the database is expecting<br>
&gt; them to be mm/dd/yy.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Has anyone else encountered this date setting weirdness? For me it<br>
&gt; is limited to the G4 mac running OS 10.4 and does not happen on the<br>
&gt; Intel Mac running OS 10.5<o:p></o:p></p>

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