From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Jan 10 11:57:21 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Jan 10 03:59:04 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded Message-ID: Hi All, Please test fc3 of Vstudio. - 0001157: [Import/Export] Export wizards shows wrong bitmap (Andrey Mezheninov) - 0001195: [Table Browser] Data Browser Window Title (Andrey Mezheninov) - 0001231: [Property Inspector] Now show Formula of Method fields. (Igor Nikitin) - 0001227: [Dialogs] Cannot create field with some types ( unsigned short for example ) (Igor Nikitin) - 0001226: [Application Menu] Refresh problem of main window after maximize (Igor Nikitin) - 0001219: [VServer connection] Crash when close window "Server monitor" (Igor Nikitin) - 0001208: [Structure Browser] [NEW] Double click on table will open Data Browser. (Andrey Mezheninov) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20060110/5f8edc6d/attachment.html From gaseous1 at mac.com Tue Jan 10 16:10:26 2006 From: gaseous1 at mac.com (Eric Werner, MD) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:12:17 2006 Subject: Valentina Studio crashes... Message-ID: I recently installed vStudio fc2, entered the registration information and used it for a day or two. Inexplicably, it started crashing immediately upon starting and opening its main data window. Interestingly, it would tell me it was no longer registered. I deleted any obvious preference files from the user?s domain, downloaded/installed the new vStudio fc3 and reinstalled vServer, none of which have resolved this situation. I vaguely remember something like this happening about a year ago with a much earlier version of vStudio. Of course I can?t remember what I did to fix it. What am I missing? -- Regards, Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20060110/7bb57ec3/attachment.html From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Jan 11 00:14:04 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:15:42 2006 Subject: Valentina Studio crashes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/11/06 12:10 AM, "Eric Werner, MD" wrote: Hi Eric, > I recently installed vStudio fc2, entered the registration information and > used it for a day or two. Inexplicably, it started crashing immediately upon > starting and opening its main data window. Interestingly, it would tell me it > was no longer registered. > I deleted any obvious preference files from the user?s domain, > downloaded/installed the new vStudio fc3 and reinstalled vServer, none of > which have resolved this situation. Prefs in fact located here Home/Library/ApplicationSupport/Vstudio/prefsdb Try to trash them > I vaguely remember something like this happening about a year ago with a much > earlier version of vStudio. Of course I can?t remember what I did to fix it. > > What am I missing? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Jan 12 22:08:04 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Jan 12 14:09:51 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <38B8EC5B-8D54-4D3D-9EA4-FFBE758A398C@goodeast.com> Message-ID: On 1/12/06 10:01 PM, "Frank Schima" wrote: > The main problem I have is that it doesn't always get updated with > the latest version of the Valentina 2.1 engine. I am in development > and I can afford to be on the bleeding edge :) Press Jochen more often :-) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From Ed at Kleban.com Thu Jan 12 23:09:04 2006 From: Ed at Kleban.com (Ed Kleban) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:10:46 2006 Subject: Double Click - open browser. And more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/23/05 5:12 PM, "Ed Kleban" wrote: > On 12/23/05 4:46 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: >> On 12/24/05 12:28 AM, "Ed Kleban" wrote: >> >>> I'll send you a new email on that when I get around to writing it up as a >>> proposal. But you raise an interesting point there. If you do this >>> correctly, you should be able to backwards as well as forwards. OR it could >>> be that the desire to do that is simply a non sequitir and in fact is just a >>> general case of "going forward in a different direction" in terms of the >>> interface. -- which should be a very confusing statement that you don't >>> understand, because I don't I understand it yet either. >>> >>> But consider: >>> >>> If you have a whole bunch of tables, each of which has more than one >>> relationship with other tables, then how do you define forward and backward? >> >> As backward I did mean: >> >> you jump fr r1 to 2r then to r3 then to r4. >> >> So you see this path >> >> r1 r2 r3 r4 >> >> Now you can click r2 to return back into that point. >> >> I did not mean SEARHC backward. >> > > Yeah, so we're talking about a traversing backward through the navigation > history. That's cool. > > But there IS another concept which does make sense for some special tables > when viewed by specific browsers that can exploit some specific viewing > paradigms. And if there is merit in doing so, it's worth exploring what > those mean, whether they offer something of value to the user, and if a > clever browser can provided an interface that is simple enough to make this > easy to use. > > And I think the answer is yes. But it's a new concept we have not discussed > yet. > > But we will.... :-) > > --Ed > I was cleaning out my email box and see I never responded to this. Now that I've got a bit of breathing space, let me offer the proposal that comes to mind for this. The current VS DataBrowser window Essentially has two pane. The top one has the table of interest -- perhaps because you double-clicked on the table name in the Schema Browser -- and the lower pane shows the corresponding table for a given selected row in the top table. We've previously discussed how it would be nice to navigate through a chain of related fields across multiple windows; perhaps by double-clicking in a row in the lower table to open yet a third window displaying that table at the top, and allowing the bottom of the third pane to show a related row of some other related table... and so forth opening a new window for each link traversed. I'd like to propose that there's possibly a more useful presentation scheme to consider. That scheme would look a lot more like the way "programming" is done in a stacked series of visual code blocks in QuicKeys and now in Apple's new Automator tool. Instead of coding blocks, you'd have table snippets. Thus you could keep stacking more and more panes or table blocks in the window, and scroll among them. If you wanted to see a few more rows in a given table you could make that block a bit taller by moving a window splitter. But it would be a window splitter in a tall, virtually infinite, scrollable window. You could also scroll a table within the table block, just as you can now within the upper or lower pane. The result would be that you could navigate as far as you like, forward, backward, in loops if you wanted to through the table relations until you tracked down what it was you wanted to see. Now here's the interesting part. Stacking more and more blocks at the bottom of this infinitely scrollable window allows you to navigate "forward" down whatever path you should decide to wander, and then to either review your path by scrolling up, or indeed back up along the path by deleting table blocks you have visited. HOWEVER... what's to prevent you from starting at the top of the window and choosing to explore a "backward" path by stacking new blocks at the head of the list allowing you navigate along a completely different path? The only thing I can think of preventing this is fear that you'd possibly be doing something non-intuitive that nobody else has ever provided in an interface before. But Valentina can be the first! You could of course at any time always open up yet another window. But now instead of having to open possibly a dozen windows to see a whole picture, you might get by with just opening two or three that had 3 to five blocks each. This is a vertical equivalent of the horizontal tabbed interface that browsers like Safari and RB 2005 now use. That make any sense? What ya' think? --Ed From j.peters at valentina-db.de Fri Jan 13 06:22:57 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:24:36 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: References: <38B8EC5B-8D54-4D3D-9EA4-FFBE758A398C@goodeast.com> Message-ID: <18864.62.154.199.179.1137129777.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Frank, > On 1/12/06 10:01 PM, "Frank Schima" wrote: > >> The main problem I have is that it doesn't always get updated with >> the latest version of the Valentina 2.1 engine. I am in development >> and I can afford to be on the bleeding edge :) > > Press Jochen more often :-) :-) I will try to make new builds more often! -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Jan 13 23:29:42 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Jan 13 15:31:25 2006 Subject: Double Click - open browser. And more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/13/06 7:09 AM, "Ed Kleban" wrote: > I'd like to propose that there's possibly a more useful presentation scheme > to consider. That scheme would look a lot more like the way "programming" > is done in a stacked series of visual code blocks in QuicKeys and now in > Apple's new Automator tool. > Instead of coding blocks, you'd have table snippets. > Thus you could keep stacking more and more panes or table blocks > in the window, and scroll among them. If you wanted to see a few more rows > in a given table you could make that block a bit taller by moving a window > splitter. But it would be a window splitter in a tall, virtually infinite, > scrollable window. You could also scroll a table within the table block, > just as you can now within the upper or lower pane. I think I see what you mean. Such behavior did have old Mac-OS only OO db Phyla. > The result would be that you could navigate as far as you like, forward, > backward, in loops if you wanted to through the table relations until you > tracked down what it was you wanted to see. > > Now here's the interesting part. Stacking more and more blocks at the > bottom of this infinitely scrollable window allows you to navigate "forward" > down whatever path you should decide to wander, and then to either review > your path by scrolling up, or indeed back up along the path by deleting > table blocks you have visited. HOWEVER... what's to prevent you from > starting at the top of the window and choosing to explore a "backward" path > by stacking new blocks at the head of the list allowing you navigate along a > completely different path? The only thing I can think of preventing this is > fear that you'd possibly be doing something non-intuitive that nobody else > has ever provided in an interface before. But Valentina can be the first! > > You could of course at any time always open up yet another window. But now > instead of having to open possibly a dozen windows to see a whole picture, > you might get by with just opening two or three that had 3 to five blocks > each. This is a vertical equivalent of the horizontal tabbed interface that > browsers like Safari and RB 2005 now use. > > That make any sense? > What ya' think? Hard to implement. And this require not Table-kind data browser, but totally own - draw - kind of browser... This can exists as another data browser I think -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From K.Klamp at t-online.de Sun Jan 15 23:23:57 2006 From: K.Klamp at t-online.de (Kurt Klamp) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:25:47 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <43C69A55.7000609@derlichtblick.at> Message-ID: <1h98b2u.fxcg41avxdzwM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> thomas doppler wrote: > works everyone with the studio on mac os x ? > for me it is not possible, becouse this and earlier versions don't run well. > > you wan't to change a value of a record in the databroser ? crash > you want to chance a fieldtype ? crash > you want to close the databroserwindow with the systembutton for > close-window? crash > and so on... Here the same, vStudio can't be used at all: -to enable a launch at least one have to trash the prefs db first, without trashing the prefs db vstudio crashes at launchtime short before opening the browser -when successfully launched (see above) it isn't usable at all -> no opening of any db neither v1 nor v2 db's -> creating a new db works, but only at the file system level, its never be seen at the browser -->> so vstudio at the current state is without practical use at all, its just a 40 mb file, not more :-(( At least Valentina carbon works to drive my db's, but since more than 3 years i'm waiting for a better successor. Hope it will come true some time. Mac OS X 10.3.9 NO typeit4me Best, Kurt From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com Sun Jan 15 15:33:17 2006 From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:35:09 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <1h98b2u.fxcg41avxdzwM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> References: <1h98b2u.fxcg41avxdzwM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Message-ID: <711F6B7E-780E-4E16-9DB8-9C196FC06833@goodeast.com> On Jan 15, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Kurt Klamp wrote: > Here the same, > vStudio can't be used at all: > > -to enable a launch at least one have to trash the prefs db first, > without trashing the prefs db vstudio crashes at launchtime short > before > opening the browser > > -when successfully launched (see above) it isn't usable at all > -> no opening of any db neither v1 nor v2 db's > -> creating a new db works, but only at the file system level, its > never > be seen at the browser > > > -->> so vstudio at the current state is without practical use at all, > its just a 40 mb file, not more :-(( > > At least Valentina carbon works to drive my db's, but since more > than 3 > years i'm waiting for a better successor. Hope it will come true some > time. > > Mac OS X 10.3.9 What version are you referring to? 2.1fc6 is posted now, although not announced. It is working fine for me except some minor bugs (no crashing). Best regards, Frank Schima From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Jan 16 00:44:06 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:45:54 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <1h98b2u.fxcg41avxdzwM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Message-ID: On 1/16/06 12:23 AM, "Kurt Klamp" wrote: > Here the same, > vStudio can't be used at all: > > -to enable a launch at least one have to trash the prefs db first, > without trashing the prefs db vstudio crashes at launchtime short before > opening the browser > > -when successfully launched (see above) it isn't usable at all > -> no opening of any db neither v1 nor v2 db's > -> creating a new db works, but only at the file system level, its never > be seen at the browser > > > -->> so vstudio at the current state is without practical use at all, > its just a 40 mb file, not more :-(( > > At least Valentina carbon works to drive my db's, but since more than 3 > years i'm waiting for a better successor. Hope it will come true some > time. > > Mac OS X 10.3.9 > NO typeit4me All this is strange. I also run Vstudio very often on my MAC and no such problems as you describe ... And I use the same build from site. * is your OS X english ? * do you have crash logs? Please send them to me and Jochen * note, that last 3 months vsPrefsDB.xml is XML file. it is NOT a database. so before trash it next time open it in editor and check it. if it is somehow corrupted please send it to us. * Do you have in name of your Disk any unicode characters? * have you try to run it on other MACs ? * have you try run it on Windows (ask just in case :) IF you do not use XML file then may be you use some OLD Vstudio ??? Kurt, Jochen you are both in Germany, may be try contact by phone to reproduce that steps or/and isolate problem on Kurt side ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From K.Klamp at t-online.de Sun Jan 15 23:44:11 2006 From: K.Klamp at t-online.de (Kurt Klamp) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:46:00 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <711F6B7E-780E-4E16-9DB8-9C196FC06833@goodeast.com> Message-ID: <1h98cim.13uogw812jk110M%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Frank Schima wrote: > > At least Valentina carbon works to drive my db's, but since more > > than 3 > > years i'm waiting for a better successor. Hope it will come true some > > time. > > > > Mac OS X 10.3.9 > > What version are you referring to? 2.1fc6 is posted now, although not > announced. It is working fine for me except some minor bugs (no > crashing). Thanks Frank, i used 2.1fc3 and i'll have a try with the new version. Kurt From myoung at ieee.org Sun Jan 15 18:08:22 2006 From: myoung at ieee.org (M Young) Date: Sun Jan 15 18:10:09 2006 Subject: Window - Valentina Studio Message-ID: <2AE036A2-06FB-4D00-82FF-033E5B280F25@ieee.org> Hello, I think this question is cosmetic, but why is Valentina Studio present under menu item Window? Here are applications where application name is NOT present under menu item Window. TextWrangler 2.1.1 Microsoft Word 11.2, aka 2004 Microsoft PowerPoint 11.2, aka 2004 Microsoft Excel 11.2, aka 2004 Script Editor 2.1.1, Tiger OS X 10.4.3 Transmit 3.2.1 System: OS X 10.4.3 VS: 2.1fc6 Regards, Michael From K.Klamp at t-online.de Mon Jan 16 19:07:24 2006 From: K.Klamp at t-online.de (Kurt Klamp) Date: Mon Jan 16 12:14:38 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e24f4c6b741908086c3cef13150efc6@t-online.de> Am 15.01.2006 um 23:44 schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin: >> >> Mac OS X 10.3.9 >> NO typeit4me > > All this is strange. I also run Vstudio very often on my MAC and no > such > problems as you describe ... And I use the same build from site. > > * is your OS X english ? OS X 10.3.9 German > > * do you have crash logs? Please send them to me and Jochen no crash log. fc6 doesn't crash at startup. But the other problems still exists. > > * note, that last 3 months vsPrefsDB.xml is XML file. > it is NOT a database. I know. > > so before trash it next time open it in editor and check it. > if it is somehow corrupted please send it to us. > > * Do you have in name of your Disk any unicode characters? Not that i know. > > * have you try to run it on other MACs ? Same behaviour on my iMac G5 and iBook. Both 10.3.9. Both connected via Router (vigor 2900g) > > * have you try run it on Windows (ask just in case :) not til now. I'll have a try at work. > > IF you do not use XML file then may be you use some OLD Vstudio ??? About window says 2.1fc6 ;-) > > Kurt, Jochen you are both in Germany, may be try contact by phone to > reproduce that steps or/and isolate problem on Kurt side ? Thank you Ruslan, i will contact Jochen offlist. Best regards, Kurt From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Jan 16 20:18:28 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Jan 16 12:20:14 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <9e24f4c6b741908086c3cef13150efc6@t-online.de> Message-ID: On 1/16/06 8:07 PM, "Kurt Klamp" wrote: >> * have you try to run it on other MACs ? > > Same behaviour on my iMac G5 and iBook. Both 10.3.9. Both connected via > Router (vigor 2900g) 10.3.9 Jochen, may be here problem? We both use 10.4.x Anybody else can use Vstudio on 10.3.x with success ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Jan 17 07:43:59 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Jan 17 00:45:49 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: References: <9e24f4c6b741908086c3cef13150efc6@t-online.de> Message-ID: <34179.62.154.199.179.1137480239.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> > On 1/16/06 8:07 PM, "Kurt Klamp" wrote: > >>> * have you try to run it on other MACs ? >> >> Same behaviour on my iMac G5 and iBook. Both 10.3.9. Both connected via >> Router (vigor 2900g) > > 10.3.9 > > Jochen, may be here problem? We both use 10.4.x Yes - it seems this is the problem.. The bad thing is that Panther does not have features which are now required for many libs and apps - in our case the locale support of wx requires Tiger to work correctly.. Only solution can be to make a build on Panther which will have some problems... -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From bwillius at gmx.de Tue Jan 17 10:22:22 2006 From: bwillius at gmx.de (Beatrix Willius) Date: Tue Jan 17 03:23:56 2006 Subject: Using Valentina Studio with V1 Databases In-Reply-To: <20060117064554.829213E6C0B@edison.macserve.net> References: <20060117064554.829213E6C0B@edison.macserve.net> Message-ID: Hello, is Valentina Studio supposed to be able to open Valentina 1.11 databases? Using the latest fc I say "Open", select a database and nothing happens. System: Mac OS 10.4 Mit freundlichen Gr??en/Regards Trixi Willius http://www.mothsoftware.com Mail Archiver X: archive, clean and search email http://www.beatrixwillius.de Fractals, 3d landscapes etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20060117/6ff74dc2/attachment.html From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Jan 17 11:25:52 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Jan 17 03:27:48 2006 Subject: Using Valentina Studio with V1 Databases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/17/06 11:22 AM, "Beatrix Willius" wrote: > Hello, > > is Valentina Studio supposed to be able to open Valentina 1.11 databases? > Using the latest fc I say "Open", select a database and nothing happens. Hi Beatrix, You need to download plugins for 1.x They are not in separate archive. You can keep them on HDD, they will not be changed. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From K.Klamp at t-online.de Tue Jan 17 17:54:20 2006 From: K.Klamp at t-online.de (Kurt Klamp) Date: Tue Jan 17 10:56:19 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio fc3 uploaded In-Reply-To: <34179.62.154.199.179.1137480239.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: <1h9bll5.c8zlpb1r5fr9cM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Jochen Peters wrote: > > On 1/16/06 8:07 PM, "Kurt Klamp" wrote: > > > >>> * have you try to run it on other MACs ? > >> > >> Same behaviour on my iMac G5 and iBook. Both 10.3.9. Both connected via > >> Router (vigor 2900g) > > > > 10.3.9 > > > > Jochen, may be here problem? We both use 10.4.x > Yes - it seems this is the problem.. > > The bad thing is that Panther does not have features which are now > required for many libs and apps - in our case the locale support of > wx requires Tiger to work correctly.. Oh, bad news :-( > > Only solution can be to make a build on Panther which will have some > problems... Yes, vStudio should work with Tiger AND Panther. Hope you can make a build soon. Tia, Kurt From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Jan 18 17:37:03 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Jan 18 09:38:54 2006 Subject: [Vstudio] pictures added. More ideas? Message-ID: Hi Jochen, Igor and Andrey last 3 days have made big progress in Vstudio. Monday: they have close about 10 issues Tuesday they have start develop support of pictures of VStudio Wednesday Pictures now work on Windows. fixed some bugs in inspector related to filed type and its change. ------------- Please update from CVS and try build WIN version. Then you can use V4RB or V4MD Examples/API/Field_Picture to generate db with pictures. * to test just open this db in Vstudio * go to browser * you should see in browser something as for Picture fields. * in the menu Record you can choose "view pictures" then you will see preview of pictures for each row. It is possible change height of rows. * double click on Cell of Picture field, open Picture Editor. you can export/import/clear picture of current record. ----------------------------------------------- You need self correct 2 functions in vs_Field2 to read/write pictures on MAC. ----------------------------------------------- Tomorrow guys will try add next features: * contextual menu of cells of picture field. * tool tip on column header of databrowser to show info about field type and flags. Just for comfort. * Drag and Drop of pictures from disk into cell of DataBrowser * Ability to show ALL picture fields of *current* record in the Property Inspector (will looks as slide show do -- one or more pictures by vertical). User can close/open group "pictures" as he can do for other groups of Inspector. * Also we going provide way to LOAD and save picture AS IS without decompression/compression. Engine can do this, task add support of this in Vstudio. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Jan 19 10:31:19 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Jan 19 02:33:14 2006 Subject: [Vstudio] pictures added. More ideas? In-Reply-To: <31938.62.154.199.179.1137650088.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: On 1/19/06 7:54 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: >> * Ability to show ALL picture fields of *current* record in the Property >> Inspector (will looks as slide show do -- one or more pictures by >> vertical). >> User can close/open group "pictures" as he can do for other groups of >> Inspector. > Hhmm - i don't think this is good. Pictures are not properties!! When you open some DataBrowser -- window of Inspector becomes wrong, It still show info of non-focused SchemaBrowser We have idea that when I watch some DATA Browser, the Inspector window should reflect this. > This is CONTENT - not meta data which is normaly shown in the inspector! Right. So for DataBrowser it show info about DATA which I browse now. For example here can be drawn small diagram of links between top and bottom tables > LinkInfo: +---------+ +---------+ | T1 | 1 Link M | T2 | +---------+ +---------+ > Pictures Preview -------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------- > I really RECOMMEND to create a new PICTURE BROWSER window for this!! > Property Inspector is floating pane for property manipulation - it should > NOT show any database content! Please provide seperate window for > pictures!!!! You can think about it as NEW window. When you switch between Schema and Data Browsers the Inspector window Change contents. I think very logical and comfortable. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Jan 19 11:23:16 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Jan 19 03:25:32 2006 Subject: [Vstudio] pictures added. More ideas? In-Reply-To: <20582.62.154.199.179.1137660831.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: On 1/19/06 10:53 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: >> So for DataBrowser it show info about DATA which I browse now. >> >> For example here can be drawn small diagram of links between top and >> bottom tables >> >>> LinkInfo: >> >> +---------+ +---------+ >> | T1 | 1 Link M | T2 | >> +---------+ +---------+ > Yes - very good! Fully agree! > >>> Pictures Preview >> >> -------------- >> | | >> | | >> | | >> | | >> | | >> -------------- >> >>> I really RECOMMEND to create a new PICTURE BROWSER window for this!! >> >>> Property Inspector is floating pane for property manipulation - it should >>> NOT show any database content! Please provide seperate window for >>> pictures!!!! >> >> You can think about it as NEW window. >> >> When you switch between Schema and Data Browsers the Inspector window >> Change contents. I think very logical and comfortable. > > But not for CONTENT e.g. pictures! > One reason is formal: Metadata versus content Religious issue :-) > another reason: Property inspector is floating palette -> never used for > data elsewhere. Moment. Many MacOS apps open drawer on right side to show preview. For example Path Finder. > More important point: With a seperate new window it will be more logical > like DataBrowser now - because people then can easy open > SEVERAL picture browsers! For example: This makes it easy to compare > pictures in table1 with pictures in table2 ! I see point, also this bring mess. You need to have 2 DataBrowsers opened. And 2 Picture Browser opened. > Another reason: Property inspector now always shows properties of > CURRENT SELECTED object. This would break if we show pictures for > ALL records - but only ONE is selected as current. RIGHT! Note Picture Browser show pictures of CURRENT record in DataBrowser. Let your table have 20 fields, and 3 of them are pictures. (I think in most cases people have table with one picture field only). So our idea was - show this group "Preview". - user can close/open it - if group is closed then no need spend time to show them. For that table I can see 3 picture by vertical. ------- You know, Adobe for example, allow you drag out floating panels, and collect together as you want ... Just a point... Just I not very like idea to have more windows... In any case guys can for now implement it on Inspector windows, Move it to new window will be easy. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Jan 19 12:20:00 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Jan 19 04:21:57 2006 Subject: [Vstudio] pictures added. More ideas? In-Reply-To: <20935.62.154.199.179.1137663688.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: On 1/19/06 11:41 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: Hi Jochen, >>> One reason is formal: Metadata versus content >> >> Religious issue :-) > :-) > But: If you do not have strong formal decisions then most > likly people will get confused. > "This is PROPERTY Inspectorer? Well - in most cases yes..but..." :-) > >> >>> another reason: Property inspector is floating palette -> never used for >>> data elsewhere. >> >> Moment. >> >> Many MacOS apps open drawer on right side to show preview. >> For example Path Finder. > Yes - this was my idea also - but this is different discussion. > >>> More important point: With a seperate new window it will be more logical >>> like DataBrowser now - because people then can easy open >>> SEVERAL picture browsers! For example: This makes it easy to compare >>> pictures in table1 with pictures in table2 ! >> >> I see point, also this bring mess. >> >> You need to have 2 DataBrowsers opened. >> And 2 Picture Browser opened. > But ONLY if you WANT! right >>> Another reason: Property inspector now always shows properties of >>> CURRENT SELECTED object. This would break if we show pictures for >>> ALL records - but only ONE is selected as current. >> >> RIGHT! >> >> Note Picture Browser show pictures of CURRENT record in DataBrowser. >> >> Let your table have 20 fields, and 3 of them are pictures. >> (I think in most cases people have table with one picture field only). >> >> So our idea was >> - show this group "Preview". >> - user can close/open it >> - if group is closed then no need spend time to show them. >> >> For that table I can see 3 picture by vertical. > BUT - this will limit us! > Then we will not have the same possibilities as for ALL OTHER data: > Show several records at once!!!!! No. because we already can set mode "Show Pictures" directly in DataBrowser Just this slow down a little, and if data mixed then it is not beaty set big height for column (but you can if you want). This is why we have start this another way - in another window. Which you can resize btw by width... >> ------- >> You know, Adobe for example, allow you drag out floating panels, and >> collect >> together as you want ... Just a point... >> >> Just I not very like idea to have more windows... > This is no problem - and screens getting bigger and bigger every day... >> In any case guys can for now implement it on Inspector windows, >> Move it to new window will be easy. > No - it will not be easy to integrate it into Property Inspector! > Property Inspector is now designed to work with the Schema Browser only! But we need in any case resolve this to be able show Link Info as we have discuss before. Hmm, where you see problems? We have look into code. Inspector is not related to SvemaBrowser. It just get Collection of properties... > So - this can break many thinks and this is not good so short before final! > Please make it as additional window "Picture browser" ! We will see Jochen... I think in nearest 1-2 hours guys can get something working. > -------------- > Maybe we can have additional "Preview aerea" - which will be used for all > kind of data - not only pictures. For example long VarChar fields are cut > in the DataBrowser - so having a preview which shows the whole story can > be usefull here too. For cut data best of all to add tooltip like do MS in its projects. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From Ed at Kleban.com Thu Jan 19 12:00:21 2006 From: Ed at Kleban.com (Ed Kleban) Date: Thu Jan 19 14:02:40 2006 Subject: [Vstudio] pictures added. More ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let me point out in advance that I'm speaking in 100% complete ignorance here because I haven't fired up the new VS program therefore I have not played with the new picture feature. But I take strong exception with some of the things I've seen go by in the email conversation here. That said, here are a couple comments: On 1/19/06 3:23 AM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: > On 1/19/06 10:53 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: > Moment. > > Many MacOS apps open drawer on right side to show preview. No. "Many" apps do not. Pathfinder does -- which is one of the reasons I refuse to use Pathfinder if I need see previews and instead making do with the finder. The only other apps I'm aware of that do this are those which are showing a large collection of thumbnails such as Preview or Acrobat. Relying on the use of drawers to manage the revelation or disclosure of previews makes window management a nightmare for the user in my personal opinion. It's hard enough with limited screen size to figure out where to place and size a window without having to compensate for windows whose size must constantly change outside the borders of the window. If you ever feel compelled to add a drawer, then I recommend you do your users a favor and instead make a window splitter so they can sanely manage their screen real estate and use an interface compatible with multiple platforms. Better yet in this case, be happy there's a separate window. Whether it should be floating and thus steal visible space from other visible windows when you don't want to stare at it is a separate issue. Personally, I'd keep the window, but kill the floating aspect -- or at least give the user a preference whether it must always float and therefore prevent them from seeing what they want. > For example Path Finder. > >> More important point: With a seperate new window it will be more logical >> like DataBrowser now - because people then can easy open >> SEVERAL picture browsers! For example: This makes it easy to compare >> pictures in table1 with pictures in table2 ! > > I see point, also this bring mess. Yes, it may make a mess but it gives US, the user, control instead of requiring us to conform to YOUR, the designer's, sense of what's messy, good, proper, or acceptable. If you believe you're making a tool for novice users and feel compelled to protect them, then you'll end up with an interface like the REALbasic IDE that simply frustrates the heck out of power users -- just look at the litany of feedback requests related to this. But I'd argue very strongly that VS users aren't novices. They are necessarily all power users or they wouldn't be using a tool like this. I recommend you don't put artificial barriers in the way of your users just because it offends your personal sense of aesthetics. Instead give them power and control to your tool the way THEY want for THEIR needs not the way you think they should be using the tool. >> Another reason: Property inspector now always shows properties of >> CURRENT SELECTED object. This would break if we show pictures for >> ALL records - but only ONE is selected as current. > > RIGHT! > > Note Picture Browser show pictures of CURRENT record in DataBrowser. > > Let your table have 20 fields, and 3 of them are pictures. > (I think in most cases people have table with one picture field only). > > So our idea was > - show this group "Preview". > - user can close/open it Please don't make it so we have to close the window to see what's underneath it. Make it so we can click on it to show it or click on a window in front of it to occlude it. > - if group is closed then no need spend time to show them. > > For that table I can see 3 picture by vertical. > _______________________________________________ Valentina-beta mailing list Valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-beta From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Jan 19 22:54:43 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Jan 19 14:58:19 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded Message-ID: Hi All, You can download Vstudio WIN build. Main news here ? support of pictures. I hope Director/V4MD developers will love this. VStudio - 2.1 fc7 ================= - 0001256: [Property Inspector] Now show EditField with Method text. (Igor Nikitin) - 0001255: [Dialogs] Dialog CreateMethod joined with CreateField dialog. (Igor Nikitin) - 0001254: [Property Inspector] Show type of Picture field (Igor Nikitin) - 0001252: [Table Browser] Width of column on open try to show full column name (Andrey Mezheninov) - 0001251: [Table Browser] [NEW] Double Click on Picture field open PictureEditor (Igor Nikitin) - 0001250: [Table Browser] [New] Pictures can be previewed in Inspector window (soon will be separate window). (Igor Nikitin) - 0001249: [Table Browser] Can show pictures now in preview mode (Igor Nikitin) - 0001190: [Links] Please Add Name Of ObjectPtr When Viewing a Link (Igor Nikitin) - 0001218: [Links] Please Show the Link_xxx Related To An ObjectPtr (Igor Nikitin) - 0001156: [Schema Browser] Crash when selcting multiple items in 3. column (Andrey Mezheninov) - 0001196: [Table Browser] On resize of window area of both top and related browsers should grow (Igor Nikitin) - 0001197: [Table Browser] Window splitter dissaper. (Igor Nikitin) - 0001024: [Application Menu] First 3 columns allow resize INTERNAL column. (Jochen Peters) - 0001192: [Schema Browser] [Glitch] Structure Browser 4th column has 3 sub-columns (Igor Nikitin) - 0001246: [Dialogs] Dialog "Create New Field" now handle methods as well. (Igor Nikitin) - 0001245: [Schema Browser] Need to improve resizing of columns in 4th column (fields) (Igor Nikitin) - 0000878: [VServer connection] VStudio crashes when I tried to add record in the databrowser window on WinXP. (Jochen Peters) - 0001244: [Table Browser] Crash on close of browser right after adding of the first record. (Andrey Mezheninov) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20060119/0bb46984/attachment.html From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Jan 30 21:08:34 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Jan 30 13:10:55 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131074906.039d35a0@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On 1/30/06 8:53 PM, "Sean Wilson" wrote: > >> You can download Vstudio WIN build. >> >> Main news here ? support of pictures. >> I hope Director/V4MD developers will love this. > > Was the ability to connect to an ODBC data source > removed, and if so are there plans to re-instate > it? (I don't seem to be able to do so, as it > doesn't appear in the "Connect to..." options - > "Valentina Server" is the only entry) Hi Sean, We have drop ability CONNECT TO ODBC source to browse its structure and data Because on market exists a lots of such tools, so we have decide no need spend efforts to improve this. BUT you still can do IMPORT of data from ODBC source. You can do this via Import Wizard. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From j.peters at valentina-db.de Mon Jan 30 20:20:05 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Mon Jan 30 13:22:43 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <384C68B6-2157-4C94-9135-BB5BA42B4213@valentina-db.de> >> Was the ability to connect to an ODBC data source >> removed, and if so are there plans to re-instate >> it? (I don't seem to be able to do so, as it >> doesn't appear in the "Connect to..." options - >> "Valentina Server" is the only entry) > > Hi Sean, > > We have drop ability CONNECT TO ODBC source to browse its structure > and data > Because on market exists a lots of such tools, so we have decide no > need > spend efforts to improve this. > > BUT you still can do IMPORT of data from ODBC source. > You can do this via Import Wizard. > Hi Sean, you have to download the additional Plugins from the Website. They contain Valentina 1.x and ODBC access. You will need the ODBC Plugin if you want to import from an ODBC source. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Jan 30 21:26:31 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Jan 30 13:29:02 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: <384C68B6-2157-4C94-9135-BB5BA42B4213@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: On 1/30/06 9:20 PM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: > you have to download the additional Plugins from the Website. They > contain Valentina 1.x and ODBC access. > You will need the ODBC Plugin if you want to import from an ODBC source. Jochen, so on default Vstudio do not have ODBC import now ? Why you have remove it ? We was going remove into separate archive only V1 plugin. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From j.peters at valentina-db.de Mon Jan 30 20:32:11 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Mon Jan 30 13:34:33 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E024D0D-6DD9-46DF-99F9-427563C98E36@valentina-db.de> Hi Ruslan, >> you have to download the additional Plugins from the Website. They >> contain Valentina 1.x and ODBC access. > >> You will need the ODBC Plugin if you want to import from an ODBC >> source. > > Jochen, so on default Vstudio do not have ODBC import now ? > > Why you have remove it ? > > We was going remove into separate archive only V1 plugin. We have decided to remove both Plugins from the normal release! In any case it is easy to install it manually. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From snw at paradise.net.nz Tue Jan 31 08:54:11 2006 From: snw at paradise.net.nz (Sean Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 30 13:56:32 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131082820.02574a58@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131085037.03ad88f0@paradise.net.nz> >http://paradigmasoft.com/en/products/download/VSTUDIO > >Here you can see them Added the plugins -> hard crash on startup of VStudio (2.1 fc7) -Sean. From j.peters at valentina-db.de Mon Jan 30 20:58:12 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Mon Jan 30 14:00:41 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131085037.03ad88f0@paradise.net.nz> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131082820.02574a58@paradise.net.nz> <7.0.0.16.2.20060131085037.03ad88f0@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <75B12EA7-9538-43AC-9279-B4D080213BED@valentina-db.de> Hi Sean, PLEASE ONLY use the latest Plugins together with the latest Application! Download the latest build then you will get no crash! Am 30.01.2006 um 20:54 schrieb Sean Wilson: > >> http://paradigmasoft.com/en/products/download/VSTUDIO >> >> Here you can see them > > Added the plugins -> hard crash on startup of VStudio (2.1 fc7) > > -Sean. > > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From snw at paradise.net.nz Tue Jan 31 09:13:01 2006 From: snw at paradise.net.nz (Sean Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 30 14:15:42 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: References: <384C68B6-2157-4C94-9135-BB5BA42B4213@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131090902.03a957e0@paradise.net.nz> Renamed the V1 plugin and it no longer crashes on startup, but when I point it to my ODBC source and attempt to browse tables -> crash -Sean. From K.Klamp at t-online.de Mon Jan 30 23:30:09 2006 From: K.Klamp at t-online.de (Kurt Klamp) Date: Mon Jan 30 16:32:40 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1ha03mc.105lac21qq9vsgM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Hi i just tried to download the latest release for MacOSX. At it is noted as 2.1fc6 from 27.01.2006 the download results in fc3 'About vStudio'.... at it is noted as 2.1fc3 from 27.02.2006 the download results in fc3 Where is the latest beta ?? BTW fc3 isn't working under OS 10.3.9. I hoped the announced new release will fix that weakness. Best, Kurt From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Jan 31 07:40:29 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Jan 31 00:42:52 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 uploaded In-Reply-To: <1ha03mc.105lac21qq9vsgM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> References: <1ha03mc.105lac21qq9vsgM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Message-ID: <41568.62.154.199.179.1138689629.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Kurt, > At it is noted as 2.1fc6 from 27.01.2006 > the download results in fc3 'About vStudio'.... > > at it is noted as 2.1fc3 from 27.02.2006 > the download results in fc3 > > Where is the latest beta ?? The info on valentina-db.de is correct: fc3. In fact both versions (on paradigmasoft.com and valentina-db.de) are exactly the same. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Jan 31 07:44:29 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Jan 31 00:46:48 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131090902.03a957e0@paradise.net.nz> References: <384C68B6-2157-4C94-9135-BB5BA42B4213@valentina-db.de> <7.0.0.16.2.20060131090902.03a957e0@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <43762.62.154.199.179.1138689869.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Sean, > Renamed the V1 plugin and it no longer crashes on startup, but when I > point it to my ODBC source and attempt to browse tables -> crash You do not have to rename anything! In fact you must download the latest Application build AND the latest Plugins build. They must work! But please note that this release is build for Tiger only - you can not run it on Panther. Also note that the ODBC-Plugin is not build for BROWSING ODBC databases - there are hundreds of tools around which do support this! You can uses the ODBC Plugin for IMPORTING data into a Valentina database. To remove irritation we will completly disable the browsing feature in the ODBC Plugin for the next build. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From snw at paradise.net.nz Tue Jan 31 20:28:19 2006 From: snw at paradise.net.nz (Sean Wilson) Date: Tue Jan 31 01:30:40 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded References: <384C68B6-2157-4C94-9135-BB5BA42B4213@valentina-db.de> <7.0.0.16.2.20060131090902.03a957e0@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131202222.03c4ee48@paradise.net.nz> >You do not have to rename anything! >In fact you must download the latest Application build AND the latest >Plugins build. They must work! But please note that this release is >build for Tiger only - you can not run it on Panther. I am talking about the Windows build. >Also note that the ODBC-Plugin is not build for BROWSING ODBC databases - >there are hundreds of tools around which do support this! You can uses >the ODBC Plugin for IMPORTING data into a Valentina database. >To remove irritation we will completly disable the browsing feature in the >ODBC Plugin for the next build. There may well be hundreds of such tools. To have found a useful function in my existing toolset was, well, useful - far from an irritation. The entire reason I bought it up was because it was no longer working! I can only express disappointment that you want to drop this feature, /especially/ as it worked previously. -Sean. From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Jan 31 10:04:59 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Jan 31 02:07:33 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio 2.1 fc7 for Windows uploaded In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131202222.03c4ee48@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On 1/31/06 9:28 AM, "Sean Wilson" wrote: >> Also note that the ODBC-Plugin is not build for BROWSING ODBC databases - >> there are hundreds of tools around which do support this! You can uses >> the ODBC Plugin for IMPORTING data into a Valentina database. >> To remove irritation we will completly disable the browsing feature in the >> ODBC Plugin for the next build. > > There may well be hundreds of such tools. To have found a useful > function in my existing toolset was, well, useful - far from an > irritation. The entire reason I bought it up was because it was no > longer working! I can only express disappointment that you want to > drop this feature, /especially/ as it worked previously. Sean, Let me explain. We have class SchemaBrowser. It work with interfaces vs_I_Database vs_I_Table vs_I_Field Now each plugin impleemnt these interfaces: plugin_v2, plugin_v1, plugin ODBC You see idea of design. But we have meet problem that to add into Schema Browser more and more features from Valentina 2 we need add more and more methods into these vs_I_ interfaces. For v1 and ODBC plugins they do not have sense. Or even if they have sense it require from us 3 times more efforts to implement them. ODBC start cause problems related to OTHER dbs and ODBC itself. So we have decide that better first of all (at least) implement all functionality that we must have around Valentina 2 than spend time to add one more browser tool for mySQL, Oracle, Postgre. IN THE SAME TIME Valentina Studio will still be able do IMPORT of structure and data from any ODBC source. Jochen will add back ODBC plugin for next build so ODBC import will work on default. You see our point? Do you point that you have use Valentina Studio to browse data of other DBMS via ODBC connection ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Jan 31 10:34:54 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Jan 31 03:37:15 2006 Subject: ODBC access In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131202222.03c4ee48@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <34817.62.154.199.179.1138700094.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Sean, >>> Also note that the ODBC-Plugin is not build for BROWSING ODBC databases >>> - >>> there are hundreds of tools around which do support this! You can uses >>> the ODBC Plugin for IMPORTING data into a Valentina database. >>> To remove irritation we will completly disable the browsing feature in >>> the >>> ODBC Plugin for the next build. >> >> There may well be hundreds of such tools. To have found a useful >> function in my existing toolset was, well, useful - far from an >> irritation. The entire reason I bought it up was because it was no >> longer working! I can only express disappointment that you want to >> drop this feature, /especially/ as it worked previously. > > Sean, > > Let me explain. > > We have class SchemaBrowser. It work with interfaces > > vs_I_Database > vs_I_Table > vs_I_Field > > Now each plugin impleemnt these interfaces: > > plugin_v2, plugin_v1, plugin ODBC > > You see idea of design. > > But we have meet problem that to add into Schema Browser more and more > features from Valentina 2 we need add more and more methods into these > vs_I_ > interfaces. For v1 and ODBC plugins they do not have sense. > > Or even if they have sense it require from us 3 times more efforts to > implement them. ODBC start cause problems related to OTHER dbs and ODBC > itself. Yes - the main point here is that we first must concentrate on accessing Valentina databases - i guess you agree here. I also think that browsing an ODBC datasource can be very helpfull during development - this was the intention to made such a design. > > So we have decide that better first of all (at least) implement all > functionality that we must have around Valentina 2 than spend time to add > one more browser tool for mySQL, Oracle, Postgre. > > > IN THE SAME TIME Valentina Studio will still be able do IMPORT of > structure > and data from any ODBC source. Jochen will add back ODBC plugin for next > build so ODBC import will work on default. > > You see our point? > > Do you point that you have use Valentina Studio to browse data of other > DBMS > via ODBC connection ? Well - as i understand yes, right? Sean - i can offer you help here: As i have said we will disable BROWSING of ODBC beginning with the next build. But I can easy add an option to the Valentina Preferences file which can be turned on to still allow browsing. On default this (unsupported) feature will be turned off. IMPORTANT point here: We will not offer any support for this! (But you are right: It has worked before - and still works in the latest build - so - you can use it AS IS) -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Jan 31 11:43:44 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Jan 31 03:46:08 2006 Subject: ODBC access In-Reply-To: <34817.62.154.199.179.1138700094.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: On 1/31/06 11:34 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: > Sean - i can offer you help here: As i have said we will disable BROWSING of > ODBC beginning with the next build. But I can easy add an option to the > Valentina Preferences file which can be turned on to still allow browsing. On > default this (unsupported) feature will be turned off. > > IMPORTANT point here: We will not offer any support for this! > > (But you are right: It has worked before - and still works in the latest build > - so - you can use it AS IS) Good idea Jochen. And let me express point: WHEN we will establish major features for Valentina we can return back to ODBC - browsing and improve it. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed]