From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 5 10:32:31 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 5 02:38:11 2006 Subject: New build of Vstudio. -- Please help test WIN build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/5/06 9:40 AM, "? ??" wrote: Hi Jeffrey, Hi All, I have test latest build of Vstudio on my WIN XP SP1 It works fine here. Guys, please download latest build of Vstudio 2.3b8 to your Windows computers. And Let me know if it works or no and on which Windows version. Thank you in advance! > I'm using WinXP Home Edition. > The important thing is I don't have any problem to use the older version on my > current computer. >> The speed for joining is amazing. >> Please let me know when you upload the VCom version. >> I really want to test it ASAP. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From j.peters at valentina-db.de Wed Apr 5 10:18:26 2006 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Wed Apr 5 03:18:39 2006 Subject: New build of Vstudio. -- Please help test WIN build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55600.62.154.199.179.1144225106.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi All, latest release for Windows is 2.3 fc11 ! > > I have test latest build of Vstudio on my WIN XP SP1 > It works fine here. > > Guys, please download latest build of Vstudio 2.3b8 to your Windows > computers. And Let me know if it works or no and on which Windows version. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 5 11:24:03 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 5 03:24:13 2006 Subject: New build of Vstudio. -- Please help test WIN build In-Reply-To: <55600.62.154.199.179.1144225106.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: On 4/5/06 11:18 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: > Hi All, > > latest release for Windows is 2.3 fc11 ! Right Jochen >> I have test latest build of Vstudio on my WIN XP SP1 >> It works fine here. >> >> Guys, please download latest build of Vstudio 2.3b8 to your Windows >> computers. And Let me know if it works or no and on which Windows version. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 5 11:28:44 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 5 03:29:10 2006 Subject: [SOLVED] New build of Vstudio. -- Please help test WIN build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/5/06 11:21 AM, "? ??" wrote: > Hi Ruslan, > > I found a walk-around. > After removing the current directory for valentine, > Install VStudio(Fresh install) > Then this case will work. Aha, so was conflict somehow... Interesting. We build it with Visual 2005, and use new MS technology of manifests which should prevent conflicts of dlls. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Apr 6 17:27:24 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 6 09:27:34 2006 Subject: [VStudio] [NEW] Volume Browser Message-ID: Hi Jochen Hi All, Andrey have introduce new feature for Vstudio, Volume Browser. * to open it - select database and open contextual menu with SHIFT. then you will see additional menu item "Volume Browser" * here you can browse internal embedded files of each volume of your db. also possible switch into mode when embedded files are shown as part of tables/fields tree. Future on right panel will be added Hex View, so we will be able look context of some logical file. -------- DREAM to have mode where we see contents logically. I.e. If this is VarChar file then we see strings, for index we see index items. Double dream to be able edit something on low level :-) --------- I think mainly this feature is useful for Paradigma Developers. But I think it is equivalent of "4D Insider" product which did allow look inside of 4D Database. Anybody have see/use 4D Insider? What features it have to be useful for normal 4D developers? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Thu Apr 6 11:23:37 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Thu Apr 6 10:23:44 2006 Subject: [VStudio] [NEW] Volume Browser In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003201c6598e$16cd9e00$6a00a8c0@woot> It sounds like an interesting feature, but I don't find it while SHIFT-clicking any context menus. I'm using 2.3fc11; do I need a newer version? Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:27 AM To: vdevelopers@paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua; valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net; valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net Subject: [VStudio] [NEW] Volume Browser Hi Jochen Hi All, Andrey have introduce new feature for Vstudio, Volume Browser. * to open it - select database and open contextual menu with SHIFT. then you will see additional menu item "Volume Browser" * here you can browse internal embedded files of each volume of your db. also possible switch into mode when embedded files are shown as part of tables/fields tree. Future on right panel will be added Hex View, so we will be able look context of some logical file. -------- DREAM to have mode where we see contents logically. I.e. If this is VarChar file then we see strings, for index we see index items. Double dream to be able edit something on low level :-) --------- I think mainly this feature is useful for Paradigma Developers. But I think it is equivalent of "4D Insider" product which did allow look inside of 4D Database. Anybody have see/use 4D Insider? What features it have to be useful for normal 4D developers? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Valentina-studio mailing list Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Apr 6 18:27:42 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 6 10:27:46 2006 Subject: [VStudio] [NEW] Volume Browser In-Reply-To: <003201c6598e$16cd9e00$6a00a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/6/06 6:23 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > It sounds like an interesting feature, but I don't find it while > SHIFT-clicking any context menus. I'm using 2.3fc11; do I need a newer > version? Oh, it will be in next build I think today later -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 7 00:17:37 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:17:43 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded Message-ID: Hi All, * Contains 2.3b10 engine * introduce Volume Browser feature * fix few minor GUI glitches -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Mon Apr 10 17:36:14 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:36:22 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c65ce6$ce8eb410$6400a8c0@woot> Shift-clicking everywhere, but still having trouble seeing the Volume Browser. -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:18 PM To: valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net; valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded Hi All, * Contains 2.3b10 engine * introduce Volume Browser feature * fix few minor GUI glitches -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Valentina-studio mailing list Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Apr 11 00:39:55 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:40:03 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded In-Reply-To: <000a01c65ce6$ce8eb410$6400a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/11/06 12:36 AM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > Shift-clicking everywhere, but still having trouble seeing the Volume > Browser. What exactly? You do not see it ? Else ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Mon Apr 10 17:46:01 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:46:09 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c65ce8$2cf85c80$6400a8c0@woot> If I remember correctly, your original explanation of the steps was to open a database in 2.3 fc15, click to select it, then SHIFT-click the context menu to see the "Volume Browser" option. By 'context menu' I assume you mean the dropdown menu in the Schema Browser that shows a gear icon, but regardless of what I shift-click, I don't see Volume Browser appear. Did I misunderstand your original explanation of the steps? Thanks Rob -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:40 PM To: valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: Re: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded On 4/11/06 12:36 AM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > Shift-clicking everywhere, but still having trouble seeing the Volume > Browser. What exactly? You do not see it ? Else ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Valentina-studio mailing list Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Apr 11 00:51:09 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:51:17 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded In-Reply-To: <000b01c65ce8$2cf85c80$6400a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/11/06 12:46 AM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > If I remember correctly, your original explanation of the steps was to open > a database in 2.3 fc15, click to select it, then SHIFT-click the context > menu to see the "Volume Browser" option. > > By 'context menu' I assume you mean the dropdown menu in the Schema Browser > that shows a gear icon, but regardless of what I shift-click, I don't see > Volume Browser appear. > Did I misunderstand your original explanation of the steps? Yes You do SHIFT + RIGHT mouse click on database in the second column. This open contextual menu for THIS database. Since you have press SHIFT, you will see now in this menu additional item "Show Volume Browser" P.S. I am starting upload Valentina Studio fc16 build for MAC and WIN -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Apr 11 00:58:45 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:58:51 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio mac+win 2.3 fc16 Message-ID: Hi All, This build is based on 2.3 engine of Valentina ----------------------------------------------------------- * Schema Browser - Tree View - Now you can sort list of Tables/Fields by any parameter by click on column header of list. * Schema Browser - when we switch between Tree View and Column View size of windows do not jump now. * SQL browser now show time of execution * SQL browser, fixed visual glitch in for big answers, when you close result table. * SQL Browser - more smart choice of default width for column of result, depending on its type. * SQL Browser - menu Recent now show last query on the top, so its easier to reach it by mouse. * ToolTips on Column Header in data browser and sql browser now are more accurate * in the Inspector more properties of Links are shown * Link Diagram now use smaller font size to better show long link names -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Tue Apr 11 11:37:20 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Tue Apr 11 10:37:35 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c65d7d$d5a39300$6400a8c0@woot> Yes, I was doing that (SHIFT-rt clicking on database, and anywhere else). Nevertheless, "Show Volume Browser" doesn't appear in the context menu. IOW, I SHIFT + rt-click on a database in the 2nd column, and the context menu opens, but with the same entries as if I'm not holding down SHIFT: Tours (my DB name) -- Open SQL Editor -- Close Show On Disk -- Create Table... Create Binary Link... Create Foreign Key... -- Clone -- Diagnose -- Encrypt -- Reindex Database -- Create Dump... Load Dump... I'm using 2.3 fc15 build Apr 3 2006, 13:36:43. Thanks Rob > Yes > You do SHIFT + RIGHT mouse click on database in the second column. > This open contextual menu for THIS database. > Since you have press SHIFT, you will see now in this menu additional item > "Show Volume Browser" From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Tue Apr 11 19:49:15 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Apr 11 11:49:21 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio win 2.3 fc15 uploaded In-Reply-To: <002e01c65d7d$d5a39300$6400a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/11/06 6:37 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > Yes, I was doing that (SHIFT-rt clicking on database, and anywhere else). > Nevertheless, "Show Volume Browser" doesn't appear in the context menu. > > IOW, I SHIFT + rt-click on a database in the 2nd column, and the context > menu opens, but with the same entries as if I'm not holding down SHIFT: > > Tours (my DB name) > -- > Open SQL Editor > -- > Close > Show On Disk > -- > Create Table... > Create Binary Link... > Create Foreign Key... > -- > Clone > -- > Diagnose > -- > Encrypt > -- Open Volume Browser ------- > Reindex Database > -- > Create Dump... > Load Dump... Strange, I have this additional item when press SHIFT. Igor also. On MAC in fc16 build also. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Tue Apr 11 16:35:34 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Tue Apr 11 15:35:47 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio mac+win 2.3 fc16 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c65da7$7f6561b0$6400a8c0@woot> Found it: the Volume Browser works only for 2.x databases, not 1.x. I was testing 1.x databases, because my current client hasn't upgraded yet. > * SQL Browser - more smart choice of default width for column of result, > depending on its type. By "SQL Browser", do you mean DataBrowser? The DataBrowser window's new ability to retain column widths is great -- I've been waiting for that for a long time. The default column widths seems to work well on 2.x databases. For 1.x databases, the default column width, based on datatype, is strange: wide columns for integer types, narrow columns for strings? It seems like it should be the opposite. It would be great if the column width data were persisted somewhere, to be retained between sessions. > * SQL Browser - menu Recent now show last query on the top, so its > easier to reach it by mouse. Nice. > * ToolTips on Column Header in data browser and sql browser now are > more accurate Nice. Great job, Rob From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 00:13:46 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Apr 11 16:13:52 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio mac+win 2.3 fc16 In-Reply-To: <003601c65da7$7f6561b0$6400a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/11/06 11:35 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: >> * SQL Browser - more smart choice of default width for column of result, >> depending on its type. > > By "SQL Browser", do you mean DataBrowser? Not actually. I mean SQL Browser. But they both have common parent, so probably this feature can present in both. > The DataBrowser window's new ability to retain column widths is great -- > I've been waiting for that for a long time. The default column widths seems > to work well on 2.x databases. Good. Note width is not yet stored on disk. This is our next step. We will store it, and we will have layout editor as FM and Access for example do have. > For 1.x databases, the default column width, based on datatype, is strange: > wide columns for integer types, narrow columns for strings? It seems like it > should be the opposite. Igor, please check this point > It would be great if the column width data were persisted somewhere, to be > retained between sessions. See above -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Tue Apr 11 17:19:12 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Tue Apr 11 16:19:25 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio mac+win 2.3 fc16 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c65dad$97dc2430$6400a8c0@woot> > Not actually. I mean SQL Browser. Sorry; where is this located? I use SQL Editor, but I don't know SQL Browser. > Note width is not yet stored on disk. This is our next step. > We will store it, and we will have layout editor as FM and Access for > example do have. GREAT! From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 00:21:12 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Tue Apr 11 16:21:17 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio mac+win 2.3 fc16 In-Reply-To: <003701c65dad$97dc2430$6400a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/12/06 12:19 AM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: >> Not actually. I mean SQL Browser. > > Sorry; where is this located? I use SQL Editor, but I don't know SQL > Browser. Oh, sorry. This is the same things :-) >> Note width is not yet stored on disk. This is our next step. >> We will store it, and we will have layout editor as FM and Access for >> example do have. > > GREAT! -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com Wed Apr 12 12:21:59 2006 From: bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com (Brandon ) Date: Wed Apr 12 12:22:03 2006 Subject: Crashes Message-ID: <000a01c65e55$9b960890$9601a8c0@Brandon> I am testing Valentina Studio and I am getting so many crashes that it is basically unusable. Is it just me? Version 2.3 fc 16 - I just downloaded today. Brandon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20060412/3e81204e/attachment.html From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 20:23:30 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 12 12:23:37 2006 Subject: Crashes In-Reply-To: <000a01c65e55$9b960890$9601a8c0@Brandon> Message-ID: On 4/12/06 8:21 PM, "Brandon" wrote: > I am testing Valentina Studio and I am getting so many crashes that it is > basically unusable. > > Is it just me? > > Version 2.3 fc 16 - I just downloaded today. What platform do you use ? We work with it quite intensively. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com Wed Apr 12 13:31:47 2006 From: bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com (Brandon ) Date: Wed Apr 12 13:31:52 2006 Subject: Crashes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c65e5f$5bb2b3e0$9601a8c0@Brandon> Windows platform. XP Pro. Brandon -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:24 PM To: valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: Re: Crashes On 4/12/06 8:21 PM, "Brandon" wrote: > I am testing Valentina Studio and I am getting so many crashes that it > is basically unusable. > > Is it just me? > > Version 2.3 fc 16 - I just downloaded today. What platform do you use ? We work with it quite intensively. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Valentina-studio mailing list Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From rwingate at visual-book.com Wed Apr 12 14:49:48 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Wed Apr 12 13:49:59 2006 Subject: Crashes In-Reply-To: <000801c65e5f$5bb2b3e0$9601a8c0@Brandon> Message-ID: <008f01c65e61$e31439b0$7400a8c0@woot> I'm using XP Pro too, but have been testing Valentina Studio continually since 2004 (maybe 2003?). What's breaking? Rob -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Brandon Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:32 PM To: valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: RE: Crashes Windows platform. XP Pro. Brandon -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:24 PM To: valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: Re: Crashes On 4/12/06 8:21 PM, "Brandon" wrote: > I am testing Valentina Studio and I am getting so many crashes that it > is basically unusable. > > Is it just me? > > Version 2.3 fc 16 - I just downloaded today. What platform do you use ? We work with it quite intensively. From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 22:20:21 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 12 14:20:27 2006 Subject: Crashes In-Reply-To: <008f01c65e61$e31439b0$7400a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/12/06 9:49 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > I'm using XP Pro too, but have been testing Valentina Studio continually > since 2004 (maybe 2003?). > > What's breaking? Yes, Brandon, please try describe your crashes. Which operation(s) cause it ? We have few developers that develop Valentina Studio on Windows, They will be able check this fast -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 23:24:51 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:24:57 2006 Subject: Did my email make it to the list? In-Reply-To: <001301c65e6e$5bfd0580$9601a8c0@Brandon> Message-ID: On 4/12/06 11:19 PM, "Brandon" wrote: > Attached is a report that I was able to retrieve after a crash from the > windows operating system. I don't know if it has anything useful. > > These types of crashes are occuring in various areas of the application. > Quite frequently. Brandon, 1) do you have serial for Vstudio? If no may be you see 10 minutes timeout which cause problems? 2) so you cannot reproduce any crash for the same steps ? 3) what database you use? How it is complex? And so on... v1 or v2 database ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 23:25:48 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:25:57 2006 Subject: Did my email make it to the list? In-Reply-To: <001301c65e6e$5bfd0580$9601a8c0@Brandon> Message-ID: On 4/12/06 11:19 PM, "Brandon" wrote: > Attached is a report that I was able to retrieve after a crash from the > windows operating system. I don't know if it has anything useful. > > These types of crashes are occuring in various areas of the application. > Quite frequently. > > Please note that I have no issues with any other software. > > Here is how I can recreate Crashes: > ***Sample crash #1 > Load vstudio.exe > Connect to localhost > Under "Datasource Elements" column, left click on a database. No prob. > Under "Database Elements" column, right click on a table. Crash - > vstudio.exe has encountered a problem... Click on "click here" and > windows returns the following Error signature... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > AppName: vstudio.exe AppVer: 2.3.0.0 ModName: vs_plugin_server_2.dll > ModVer: 1.0.0.1 Offset: 0005da13 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aha, So you use VStudio with Valentina Server ?! This is big difference in are of search :-) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com Wed Apr 12 15:34:11 2006 From: bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com (Brandon ) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:34:16 2006 Subject: Vstudio Issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c65e70$753d7d70$9601a8c0@Brandon> On 4/12/06 11:19 PM, "Brandon" wrote: > Attached is a report that I was able to retrieve after a crash from > the windows operating system. I don't know if it has anything useful. > > These types of crashes are occuring in various areas of the > application. Quite frequently. Brandon, 1) do you have serial for Vstudio? If no may be you see 10 minutes timeout which cause problems? No serial number. I am trying it out. Crashes occur within 10 seconds if I click fast enough. 2) so you cannot reproduce any crash for the same steps ? Yes, I can reproduce over and over. 3) what database you use? How it is complex? And so on... v1 or v2 database ? V2 - zero fields, 2 fields, no fields - doesn't matter. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Apr 12 23:47:09 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:47:14 2006 Subject: Did my email make it to the list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/12/06 11:25 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: >> ***Sample crash #1 >> Load vstudio.exe >> Connect to localhost >> Under "Datasource Elements" column, left click on a database. No prob. >> Under "Database Elements" column, right click on a table. Crash - >> vstudio.exe has encountered a problem... Click on "click here" and >> windows returns the following Error signature... >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> AppName: vstudio.exe AppVer: 2.3.0.0 ModName: vs_plugin_server_2.dll >> ModVer: 1.0.0.1 Offset: 0005da13 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Aha, > > So you use VStudio with Valentina Server ?! > > This is big difference in are of search :-) Brandon, Igor will try tomorrow reproduce your crashes, and fix them. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com Wed Apr 12 23:23:57 2006 From: bwarlick at sunbelt-graphics.com (Brandon ) Date: Wed Apr 12 23:24:05 2006 Subject: Narrowing Down Problem with VStudio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c65eb2$1679f9c0$9601a8c0@Brandon> Ruslan, We narrowed down problems. We do not get ANY crashes when working with local databases with vStudio. Only occurs when accessing server. Also, we have discovered another problem. 1. We create a new database (local) with Realbasic. We open, close, open, close, restart application, no problems. 2. We run Vstudio. Open the database. Look at it. Browse tables. Close it. 3. We close Vstudio completely. 4. We go back to Realbasic and try to open database. We get nilobjectexception. Realbasic can no longer read the database. Thanks, Brandon > > Aha, > > So you use VStudio with Valentina Server ?! > > This is big difference in are of search :-) Brandon, Igor will try tomorrow reproduce your crashes, and fix them. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Valentina-studio mailing list Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Apr 13 22:34:31 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 13 14:34:36 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio 2.3 fc17 uploaded Message-ID: -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Apr 13 22:52:46 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 13 14:52:54 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio 2.3 fc17 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/13/06 10:34 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: Sorry guys, I have download it self, and see that it cannot open any db :-( I think this is result of just added protection and warn dialog that 2.0 dbs can be converted to 2.3 format. I am building now debug build to see where is problem. On Windows this works fine -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 14 00:20:45 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 13 16:20:52 2006 Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio 2.3 fc17 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/13/06 10:52 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: > On 4/13/06 10:34 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: > > > Sorry guys, > > I have download it self, and see that it cannot open any db :-( > > I think this is result of just added protection and warn dialog that 2.0 dbs > can be converted to 2.3 format. > > I am building now debug build to see where is problem. > On Windows this works fine It seems false alarm. It works fine as I see. Probably I have try open dbs locked by Vserver. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 14 01:29:59 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu Apr 13 17:30:06 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded Message-ID: - [Tree View] Show more parameters of fields now. - 0001515: [Schema Browser] Schema Browser shows empty connection when cannot open recent database (igor_nikita) - 0001514: [SQL Browser] The list of recent queries may contain not all queries (igor_nikita) - 0001513: [Schema Browser] Field than marked as Primary Key can't be deleted. (igor_nikita) - 0001506: [Related Table Browser] Foreing Key link in Related Browser shoud link records by mouse click. (igor_nikita) - 0001503: [Data Browser] Crash on column sorting - 0001504: [Data Browser] Wrong show of methods in Data Browser. (igor_nikita) - 0001509: [Application Menu] VStudio crash (igor_nikita) - 0001505: [Data Browser] Double click on Method cell opens TextEditor window. (igor_nikita) - 0001501: [Application Menu] The warning is shown when opening V2 database with the older version (igor_nikita) - 0001500: [Data Browser] Crash in a DataBrowser when click on a checkmark column (igor_nikita) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Double click Checkbox to enable it -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 14 10:53:19 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Apr 14 02:53:26 2006 Subject: Valentina Studio Require OS X 10.4 + [Read All Please] Message-ID: Hi All, Below is little discussion from Mantis. I think it is good once again expose it to lists. 1) Valentina engine require MAC OS 10.2 or better. We do not support 10.1 Christopher, this is not only because we are so bad. Apple itself do not support 10.1. Read this for example: Xcode supports development for Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar), Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther), or Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) (both PowerPC and Intel) using the Mac OS X SDK support. If Xcode do no support 10.1, then how you think WE can support it ??? ------------- 2) Valentina Studio have even stronger requirement - 10.4 Because we develop it as Universal Binary application. In fact even before we have introduce UB support, Vstudio did not go on 10.3 on some reasons. One of them - Xcode 2.2 use GCC 4 compiler which produce code not running on 10.3 Jochen have spend 2 days in March investigating this question, Answer was - There is no easy way support 10.3 I do not want put all rats on Apple, but as Lynn have warn few months ago, Apple now control Hardware, OS, and Developer Tools. Evil combination... They now can *force* developers drop old versions. Only potential way - to keep separate computer with separate old compilers and produce several branches of products. Not big pleasure, yes? Apple do not care now about back compatibility. And this is bad. Unfortunately we do not have on hands version of Vstudio that runs on 10.3. Right Jochen? May be somebody on list have save it ? Christopher, I want point that more and more developers will start now produce Universal Binary apps. Right? This means they will not work on 10.3. 10.3 die VERY FAST. 10.4 Become very fast the minimal requirement for MAC computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rz - 04-13-06 16:34 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 10.3.9 ?!! wow we do not support 10.3 already few months. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cbishop - 04-13-06 17:36 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that having 10.3 is the problem? Do I have to go out and purchase 10.4 just to use the demo? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cbishop - 04-13-06 19:53 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you have an older version that supports 10.3? I just need to set up a database; nothing too complicated. Also, as far as Valentina Server goes, I have many customers who still have 10.1 and 10.2 servers. Are they not going to be able to use VServer? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cbishop - 04-13-06 19:57 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, something to consider: Only 4 computers in my workplace have OS 10.4 installed on them. The rest (maybe 40 machines) have OS 10.3 installed. Businesses do not like upgrading all the time. It causes problems with the software they already have. Schools and school districts are even worse: once they get computers running, they let them go until they die. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From fred.stephenson at communication-unltd.com Fri Apr 14 11:16:06 2006 From: fred.stephenson at communication-unltd.com (Fred) Date: Fri Apr 14 04:17:14 2006 Subject: Valentina Studio Require OS X 10.4 + [Read All Please] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443F6856.9030901@communication-unltd.com> Ahhhh zut alors ;?) That probably explains why it doesn't work - I'm still on 10.3.9 all the best Fred From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 14 12:43:35 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Apr 14 04:43:40 2006 Subject: compatibility In-Reply-To: <42814C23-0340-40EA-BA5A-D9FD301F1917@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: On 4/14/06 12:25 PM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: Hi Jochen, > your info concerning compatibility for different Mac OS X versions is > not correct! > > IT IS possible to build applications which runs on ALL OS X versions starting > from 10.2 - it is even possible to build for 10.1 - but this is a little bit > tricky and not needed i think. > > To ensure compatibility with 10.3 we must use gcc version 3.3 - this > is simple possible. I have told the same. IT is possible to have SEVERAL branches for product. OR yes, we can make app ready for 10.3, but then it will not be UB, right ? > Problem now is that we use gcc 4 - and there is a bug which prevents > this code to run on 10.3.9. > So - we CAN do it - the question is if we SHOULD do it... Wait a moment. So you say that if they will fix bug in GCC4 then we will be produce Valentina Studio (Universal Binary) which will run also on 10.3.9? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Fri Apr 14 10:07:57 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Fri Apr 14 09:08:08 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c65fcc$d802d830$6700a8c0@woot> The download site shows 2.3fc18 for OSX, but the W32 version is still 2.3 fc16. Perhaps the webpage label is simply inaccurate? or was the W32 version not uploaded after all? _____ From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:30 PM To: valentina@lists.macserve.net; valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net; valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20060414/7f8d03b2/attachment.html From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 14 17:08:56 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Apr 14 09:09:05 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: <003801c65fcc$d802d830$6700a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/14/06 5:07 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > The download site shows 2.3fc18 for OSX, but the W32 version is still 2.3 > fc16. Perhaps the webpage label is simply inaccurate? or was the W32 version > not uploaded after all? Please specify which site of 3 ? paradigma Valentina-db.com Valentina-db.de ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rwingate at visual-book.com Fri Apr 14 10:10:59 2006 From: rwingate at visual-book.com (Rob Wingate) Date: Fri Apr 14 09:11:07 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004301c65fcd$44505e90$6700a8c0@woot> I use paradigmasoft.com -- should I be using a different one? -----Original Message----- From: valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net [mailto:valentina-studio-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:09 AM To: valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net Subject: Re: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded On 4/14/06 5:07 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > The download site shows 2.3fc18 for OSX, but the W32 version is still > 2.3 fc16. Perhaps the webpage label is simply inaccurate? or was the > W32 version not uploaded after all? Please specify which site of 3 ? paradigma Valentina-db.com Valentina-db.de ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Valentina-studio mailing list Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Apr 14 17:14:33 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Apr 14 09:14:46 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: <004301c65fcd$44505e90$6700a8c0@woot> Message-ID: On 4/14/06 5:10 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > I use paradigmasoft.com -- should I be using a different one? No, I am checking it -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From myoung at ieee.org Fri Apr 14 16:55:45 2006 From: myoung at ieee.org (M Young) Date: Fri Apr 14 16:55:49 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded Message-ID: <98B5E88D-9552-481D-9D2F-8CE32EF2E8A0@ieee.org> Please consider simplifying the download scheme, since this version issue comes up repeatedly. Why not name the compressed file what it is, for example vstudio_mac23fc17.dmg, and have folks just download these files that expand to the usual non versioned names already used. Keeping the Get Info information up to date would be helpful also. Surely, this process can be automated in some simple way. Thank you for reading and listening. Regards, Michael PS Macintosh OS X version 2.3fc18 on is uncompressed file labeled 2.3 fc17 when downloaded about 2:10 PM EDT USA on April 14, 2006. On Apr 14, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > On 4/14/06 5:10 PM, "Rob Wingate" wrote: > > >> I use paradigmasoft.com -- should I be using a different one? >> > > No, I am checking it > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin > VP Engineering and New Technology > Paradigma Software, Inc > > Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > [I feel the need: the need for speed] > > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sat Apr 15 09:14:02 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat Apr 15 01:14:09 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: <98B5E88D-9552-481D-9D2F-8CE32EF2E8A0@ieee.org> Message-ID: On 4/15/06 12:55 AM, "M Young" wrote: Hi Michael > PS Macintosh OS X version 2.3fc18 on products/download/VSTUDIO> is uncompressed file labeled 2.3 fc17 > when downloaded about 2:10 PM EDT USA on April 14, 2006. Right now I see Valentina Studio, Mac OS X (PPC+Intel) 2.3 fc18 http 24.65 Mb Apr 14, 2006 24MB this is normal size now, because it is in Universal Binary. This is COMPRESSED size -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sat Apr 15 09:15:18 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat Apr 15 01:15:22 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: <98B5E88D-9552-481D-9D2F-8CE32EF2E8A0@ieee.org> Message-ID: On 4/15/06 12:55 AM, "M Young" wrote: Hi Michael, > Please consider simplifying the download scheme, since this version > issue comes up repeatedly. > > Why not name the compressed file what it is, for example > vstudio_mac23fc17.dmg, and have folks just download these files that > expand to the usual non versioned names already used. Well, I agree with this. We do this for betas of all other products > Keeping the Get > Info information up to date would be helpful also. Surely, this > process can be automated in some simple way. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From myoung at ieee.org Sat Apr 15 09:42:08 2006 From: myoung at ieee.org (M Young) Date: Sat Apr 15 09:42:13 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD65443-F6EC-49BB-B206-0568368D8BBE@ieee.org> On Apr 15, 2006, at 1:14 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > On 4/15/06 12:55 AM, "M Young" wrote: > > Hi Michael > >> PS Macintosh OS X version 2.3fc18 on > en/ >> products/download/VSTUDIO> is uncompressed file labeled 2.3 fc17 >> when downloaded about 2:10 PM EDT USA on April 14, 2006. > > Right now I see > > Valentina Studio, Mac OS X (PPC+Intel) > 2.3 fc18 http 24.65 Mb Apr 14, 2006 > > > 24MB this is normal size now, because it is in Universal Binary. > This is COMPRESSED size > > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin > VP Engineering and New Technology > Paradigma Software, Inc Hello Ruslan, Let me try again. I agree with the information you provided about Valentina Studio, Mac OS X (PPC+Intel) 2.3 fc18 http 24.65 Mb Apr 14, 2006 I know this file is compressed, however when I downloaded this compressed file several times I ended up with a dmg that when opened contained an uncompressed file labeled 2.3 fc17 by Get Info and in the Valentina Studio. Clearly the web site download information does not always match up with the actual file that is downloaded. How much of this web site download page information is automated? Valentina Studio, Mac OS X (PPC+Intel) 2.3 fc18 http 24.65 Mb Apr 14, 2006 The problem I have seen over lo these many months is that parts of this information line appear to be updated before the download file is updated, which leads to a flurry of questions by those who have not seen this pattern before. (I suppose it is good that new users/ developers are coming to Valentina, so that you have new people who have not seen this issue before. :) ) It strikes me that something in the compressed file upload to web site and update the web page information process needs to automated to reduce the file version downloaded not matching up with the web site information. Regards, Michael From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sat Apr 15 17:58:57 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat Apr 15 09:59:03 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: <4AD65443-F6EC-49BB-B206-0568368D8BBE@ieee.org> Message-ID: On 4/15/06 5:42 PM, "M Young" wrote: > Let me try again. > > I agree with the information you provided about > Valentina Studio, Mac OS X (PPC+Intel) 2.3 fc18 http > 24.65 Mb Apr 14, 2006 > I know this file is compressed, however when I downloaded this > compressed file several times I ended up with a dmg that when opened > contained an uncompressed file labeled 2.3 fc17 by Get Info and in > the Valentina Studio. I see know. > Clearly the web site download information does > not always match up with the actual file that is downloaded. > How much of this web site download page information is automated? Web Page manually This time wrong is version of app file. Build IS fc18 > The problem I have seen over lo these many months is that parts of > this information line appear to be updated before the download file > is updated, which leads to a flurry of questions by those who have > not seen this pattern before. (I suppose it is good that new users/ > developers are coming to Valentina, so that you have new people who > have not seen this issue before. :) ) It strikes me that something in > the compressed file upload to web site and update the web page > information process needs to automated to reduce the file version > downloaded not matching up with the web site information. Actually I do not have idea how automate the web pages :) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From myoung at ieee.org Sat Apr 15 10:23:13 2006 From: myoung at ieee.org (M Young) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:23:16 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <246A6A59-36C3-4187-A519-FC2192BA0F44@ieee.org> On Apr 15, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > On 4/15/06 5:42 PM, "M Young" wrote: > >> Let me try again. >> >> I agree with the information you provided about >> Valentina Studio, Mac OS X (PPC+Intel) 2.3 fc18 http >> 24.65 Mb Apr 14, 2006 >> I know this file is compressed, however when I downloaded this >> compressed file several times I ended up with a dmg that when opened >> contained an uncompressed file labeled 2.3 fc17 by Get Info and in >> the Valentina Studio. > > I see know. > >> Clearly the web site download information does >> not always match up with the actual file that is downloaded. > >> How much of this web site download page information is automated? > > Web Page manually > > This time wrong is version of app file. > Build IS fc18 > >> The problem I have seen over lo these many months is that parts of >> this information line appear to be updated before the download file >> is updated, which leads to a flurry of questions by those who have >> not seen this pattern before. (I suppose it is good that new users/ >> developers are coming to Valentina, so that you have new people who >> have not seen this issue before. :) ) It strikes me that something in >> the compressed file upload to web site and update the web page >> information process needs to automated to reduce the file version >> downloaded not matching up with the web site information. > > Actually I do not have idea how automate the web pages :) Ruslan, I was actually beginning to wonder if that was the case. ;) The http://www.paradigmasoft.com/ site really comes across as a nicely done professional site. Surely, you could discuss your development work flow with whoever setup your web site and they could help you automate web page updates, which would definitely cut down on list questions/complaints/etc. I would prefer this suggestion over slowing down program development so the pages don't need updating so frequently. :) Regards, Michael From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sat Apr 15 18:30:31 2006 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:30:35 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: <246A6A59-36C3-4187-A519-FC2192BA0F44@ieee.org> Message-ID: On 4/15/06 6:23 PM, "M Young" wrote: >> Actually I do not have idea how automate the web pages :) > > Ruslan, > > I was actually beginning to wonder if that was the case. ;) > > The http://www.paradigmasoft.com/ site really comes across as a > nicely done professional site. Surely, you could discuss your > development work flow with whoever setup your web site and they could > help you automate web page updates, which would definitely cut down > on list questions/complaints/etc. I would prefer this suggestion over > slowing down program development so the pages don't need updating so > frequently. :) But the main ideas we can find self, right? :-) * we have some C++ header file where preapring new build we specify const char* AppVersion = "2.3 fc18" Believe me, it is my dream to have some App / Script Which will allow me say: I want build release of Vstudio, Vserver, V4RB this will be 2.3 fc18 release for vstudio and 2.4 b1 for kernel Press okay and go drink coffee... And this will build all, compress, upload tp ftp, correct web page, solve next few bugs ... :-))) ops, this is our job! We even have draft of such application developed in REALBasic + V4RB1, But it is on frozen few months already ... -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From myoung at ieee.org Sat Apr 15 11:30:51 2006 From: myoung at ieee.org (M Young) Date: Sat Apr 15 11:30:54 2006 Subject: [ANN] Vstudio WIN fc18 uploaded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91BA5179-0C07-4885-B5A8-4ECF81B32E70@ieee.org> On Apr 15, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > On 4/15/06 6:23 PM, "M Young" wrote: > >>> Actually I do not have idea how automate the web pages :) >> >> Ruslan, >> >> I was actually beginning to wonder if that was the case. ;) >> >> The http://www.paradigmasoft.com/ site really comes across as a >> nicely done professional site. Surely, you could discuss your >> development work flow with whoever setup your web site and they could >> help you automate web page updates, which would definitely cut down >> on list questions/complaints/etc. I would prefer this suggestion over >> slowing down program development so the pages don't need updating so >> frequently. :) > > But the main ideas we can find self, right? :-) Right. The issue is getting the information into the appropriate places easily and consistently. > > * we have some C++ header file where preapring new build we > specify > > const char* AppVersion = "2.3 fc18" Makes sense. > > > Believe me, it is my dream to have some App / Script > Which will allow me say: > > I want build release of Vstudio, Vserver, V4RB > this will be 2.3 fc18 release for vstudio > and 2.4 b1 for kernel > > Press okay and go drink coffee... Great plan. > > And this will build all, compress, upload tp ftp, correct web page, > solve next few bugs ... :-))) ops, this is our job! Isn't your job _developing_ Valentina? I know Joel's ideal is probably unrealistic, however it is an interesting concept: I think I am talking about putting some web site update stuff below deck using Joel's terminology. > > We even have draft of such application developed in REALBasic + V4RB1, > But it is on frozen few months already ... > Cool. I can hardly wait to see it in action. Until then, I will just look forward with amusement to the next round of questions regarding update issues. :) Thank for listening. I will go back to work now. Best of luck, Michael