From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Oct 20 17:25:06 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed Oct 20 09:25:13 2004 Subject: RealBasic In-Reply-To: <001701c4b6a3$b3eacad0$0200a8c0@medion> Message-ID: On 10/20/04 3:52 PM, "Gunnar Jacobsen" wrote: Hi Gunnar, I think you work on Windows ? > 1. I create a database file. > 2. Import data from ODBC. I think you can try to CLOSE file here. And open it, To force ODBC improt data go to disk and make sure that on this step all right. > 3. Then I encrypt the database file by click on the encrypt on the rigt > side, en then I am asked for encrypt key, which I enter. ok > 4. I close the database file. ok > 5. Open the database file again, twice it is ok. but then I get this error > message. Hmm. When you open db are you asked for key again ? > I have done the some times and I always come with this error!. I have delete > the file and try again but always the same. And if Windows Shut down the > VStudio for some reason I get error message after that and I cant open the > file any more. > I hope this is not the case with VCOM or Valentina for Real Basic? I also hope so. This can be Visual Studio bug. First of all make sure that ODBC import is ok. At last of end you will be able encrypt this db using RB code. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From j.peters at valentina-db.de Wed Oct 20 16:34:53 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Wed Oct 20 09:35:29 2004 Subject: RealBasic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34946AAE-22A5-11D9-A3B4-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Hi Gunnar, > I think you work on Windows ? > >> 1. I create a database file. >> 2. Import data from ODBC. > > I think you can try to CLOSE file here. And open it, > To force ODBC improt data go to disk and make sure that on this step > all > right. Yes - i also consider this! Please make sure that your new database contains all necessary data from the import. Just close it and reopen it. > >> 3. Then I encrypt the database file by click on the encrypt on the >> rigt >> side, en then I am asked for encrypt key, which I enter. > > ok Encryption or structure encryption? > >> 4. I close the database file. > > ok > >> 5. Open the database file again, twice it is ok. but then I get this >> error >> message. > > Hmm. When you open db are you asked for key again ? > > >> I have done the some times and I always come with this error!. I have >> delete >> the file and try again but always the same. And if Windows Shut down >> the >> VStudio for some reason I get error message after that and I cant >> open the >> file any more. > > >> I hope this is not the case with VCOM or Valentina for Real Basic? > > I also hope so. This can be Visual Studio bug. Well - Valentina Studio :-) Maybe - but strange is that it works once, right Gunnar? Only the second time does not work, right? ... -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From j.peters at valentina-db.de Fri Oct 22 21:17:39 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Fri Oct 22 14:18:00 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available Message-ID: <0A6F4D92-245F-11D9-8E39-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Hi all, i have just uploaded Build 1.0a69 to http://www.valentina-db.de/en/downloads/downvstd.shtml I have spend much time on ODBC support - rewriting the ODBC Plugin completly. Now ODBC is working again for Mac + Windows!! So - i can now finish the ODBC tutorial which i have promised... There are several bugfixes all around the application. On Mac the window repainting and speed has been improved. Some issues in the simple layout for editing and adding records has been fixed. I will now start heavy bugfixing - PLEASE REPORT ANY BUG in our new bug tracking system: http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt EVERY bug in this system will be fixed - and you can self watch the progress on each bug! So - please do use it! -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 22 23:43:41 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Oct 22 15:43:55 2004 Subject: VAPP and V Studio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/22/04 11:35 PM, "Chuck Pelto" wrote: > Hi Ruslan, > > You REALLY should consider fixing that little 'problem' immediately. > > As an interim, I HIGHLY recommend you provide a step-by-step example of > what must be done to work through this. Smart people do not like going > into TERMINAL mode. And assuming people are familiar with how to > navigate to a destination in Terminal without fouling things up > royally, is not a good modis operandi. Jochen will fix this as I know. BTW, in terminal very easy navigate if drag & drop folder/file to terminal window. So have you fix problem ? Again, you can download Path Finder utility. It can do this easy. Another solution upgrade your StuffIt to avoid this bug. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 22 23:58:09 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Oct 22 15:59:24 2004 Subject: VAPP and V Studio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/22/04 11:50 PM, "Chuck Pelto" wrote: > Ahem.... > > ...as I was saying...... > > ...I attempted to do this and here is what has happened.... > > [Pelto-Computer:~/Desktop] cbpelto% chmod u+x Valentina > Studio.app/Contents/MacOS/Valentina Studio > chmod: Valentina: No such file or directory > chmod: Studio.app/Contents/MacOS/Valentina: No such file or directory > chmod: Studio: No such file or directory > [Pelto-Computer:~/Desktop] cbpelto% > > This was from the proper directory, where the application is currently > located, the Desktop. I even tried it with a leading "/". But to no > avail. > > What is the proper syntax, please? I do next 3 simple steps * open terminal * type chmod u+x * drag and drop file Valentina Studio.app/Contents/MacOS/Valentina Studio Into terminal window. As result I get the next string CHMOD u+x /Users/rz/Desktop/Valentina\ Studio.app/Contents/MacOS/Valentina\ Studio You can see that in my string OS X automatically have escape the SPACE symbols. Press ENTER. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From j.peters at valentina-db.de Sat Oct 23 11:24:51 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Sat Oct 23 04:25:07 2004 Subject: VAPP and V Studio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <643EE49E-24D5-11D9-8D99-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Hi all, >> You REALLY should consider fixing that little 'problem' immediately. >> >> As an interim, I HIGHLY recommend you provide a step-by-step example >> of >> what must be done to work through this. Smart people do not like going >> into TERMINAL mode. And assuming people are familiar with how to >> navigate to a destination in Terminal without fouling things up >> royally, is not a good modis operandi. > > Jochen will fix this as I know. This is already fixed! The actual download on http://www.valentina-db.de7en7downloads7downvstd.shtml is a disk image - no stuffit archive any more! -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sat Oct 23 12:36:34 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat Oct 23 04:36:57 2004 Subject: Valentina Studio Registraion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/23/04 12:06 PM, "Chuck Pelto" wrote: > Solving the problem, of not getting into VStudio, changes the > problem..... You mean you have RUN Vstudio now ? > Is the registration code supposed to be on of the codes I received when > I bought into Valentina? I have CC to Jochen. You need talk with him on this. > I've tried all four codes, Mac and Windows, from the two copies and I'm > getting a "Wrong registration number" notice for all of them. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sat Oct 23 12:36:38 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat Oct 23 04:37:30 2004 Subject: VAPP and V Studio In-Reply-To: <643EE49E-24D5-11D9-8D99-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: On 10/23/04 12:24 PM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: > Hi all, > >>> You REALLY should consider fixing that little 'problem' immediately. >>> >>> As an interim, I HIGHLY recommend you provide a step-by-step example >>> of >>> what must be done to work through this. Smart people do not like going >>> into TERMINAL mode. And assuming people are familiar with how to >>> navigate to a destination in Terminal without fouling things up >>> royally, is not a good modis operandi. >> >> Jochen will fix this as I know. > This is already fixed! The actual download on > http://www.valentina-db.de7en7downloads7downvstd.shtml > is a disk image - no stuffit archive any more! Thank you Jochen, -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From K.Klamp at t-online.de Sun Oct 24 23:05:42 2004 From: K.Klamp at t-online.de (Kurt Klamp) Date: Sun Oct 24 16:04:36 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: <0A6F4D92-245F-11D9-8E39-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: <1gm6men.147yhx910bb49eM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Hi Jochen, just to let you know: if i move the vStudio application from the top level of the applications folder to a sub folder (what i want to do) vStudio doesn't launch anymore (same behaviour as discussed the last days-- the icon jumps 2-3 times in the dock and then it diasappears). This is not a new a69 issue, same as in a68 and a66 (i forgot to post it). iBook G4; OS X 3.5.6 Best, Kurt From cbpelto at pcisys.net Sun Oct 24 15:52:15 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Sun Oct 24 16:52:37 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: <1gm6men.147yhx910bb49eM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> References: <1gm6men.147yhx910bb49eM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Message-ID: I had that problem too. I reset the permissions, to allow me to open the application, while it was on my desktop (Mac OS X). If I move it away from the desktop, it will no longer launch properly. Regards, Chuck On Oct 24, 2004, at 3:05 PM, Kurt Klamp wrote: > Hi Jochen, > just to let you know: > > if i move the vStudio application from the top level of the > applications > folder to a sub folder (what i want to do) vStudio doesn't launch > anymore (same behaviour as discussed the last days-- the icon jumps 2-3 > times in the dock and then it diasappears). This is not a new a69 > issue, same as in a68 and a66 (i forgot to post it). > > iBook G4; OS X 3.5.6 > > Best, > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Oct 25 01:11:44 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun Oct 24 17:12:01 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/25/04 12:52 AM, "Chuck Pelto" wrote: > I had that problem too. > > I reset the permissions, to allow me to open the application, while it > was on my desktop (Mac OS X). If I move it away from the desktop, it > will no longer launch properly. Chuck, I wonder if you have download latest a69 ? It uses .dmg format -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From cbpelto at pcisys.net Sun Oct 24 19:03:54 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Sun Oct 24 20:04:16 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings Ruslan, Not yet. Sunday, for all intents and purposes is, for me and my household, "a day of rest". No "business", generally speaking. Spent the day playing about the house; fixing the robotic sweeper, it was dirty and malfunctioning, baking bread, fixing a really nice stew, blogging, tearing into The Guardian for Charles Brooker's call to assassinate President Bush, etc., etc., etc. I'm about to enjoy a fine movie, followed by a brandy and cigar. I'll download the new version of VStudio tomorrow and see if I can begin to build my 'project' with it. Hope all is well with you, over there. Regards, Chuck On Oct 24, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > On 10/25/04 12:52 AM, "Chuck Pelto" wrote: > >> I had that problem too. >> >> I reset the permissions, to allow me to open the application, while it >> was on my desktop (Mac OS X). If I move it away from the desktop, it >> will no longer launch properly. > > Chuck, > > I wonder if you have download latest a69 ? > > It uses .dmg format > > > -- > Best regards, > Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] > ------------------------------------------------------------- > e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com > web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > From m.young at mac.com Sun Oct 24 17:33:56 2004 From: m.young at mac.com (M Young) Date: Mon Oct 25 03:45:41 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues Message-ID: <2C2297CA-2615-11D9-BCBB-000D932BD416@mac.com> In column view, Table Elements has scroll bar at the bottom when VS is started. (No database has been created yet.) The scroll bar flashes visible and invisible when the Table Elements column is made wider OR narrower. If I stop widening or narrowing when it flashes visible, the scroll bar stays visible when I stop changing the column size. If I stop widening or narrowing when it flashes invisible, the scroll bar stays invisible when I stop changing the column size. Also I like apps that open to the last on screen object placement I have used, although I understand that others prefer the default object location to always be the same and set by the apps programmer. I have a 1600 by 1200 pixel screen and it gets tiresome moving the objects very time I open VS. Why is "Valentina 1.x files" present in the Datasources column with "Show all" or "Valentina 1.10 Database Files" selected when I have not created any files yet? G5 dual processor 1.8 GHz (June 2004 version) OS X 10.3.5 Michael From cbpelto at pcisys.net Mon Oct 25 03:01:21 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Mon Oct 25 04:01:48 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> Greetings, Downloaded a69. Here are observations: [1] Application does start out of the box, but only from the desktop. [2] Putting it in the folder where I keep my development tools, it will not launch. [3] However, it will run from inside the Applications folder. [4] I can create a new database in the folder that is the default location, as presented in the create new database dialog. However, I cannot create a new database in a separate folder where I like to keep such activities. I get an error message that reads: Valentina Studio Error, Kernel Error: -43. There is no other file of the name I entered in that folder. Hope this helps. This looks like a promising application. However, I'm a bit leery of spending $60 for the privilege of being an Alpha-tester. [Note: I 'assume' that's what the "a" means in the version number; this project is in the alpha-test stage of development.] Also, if we are in development mode here, how about removing the 10-minute time limitation and installing a date limitation while we're debugging? Say like so many days after installation. And, base the days on the mean time between versions. Or a drop-dead date based on when you plan to have another version out. Then, once you've got the final form running, ask for the money. It's your project. I'm just offering suggestions. Keep up the good work.... Regards, Chuck On Oct 24, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > On 10/25/04 12:52 AM, "Chuck Pelto" wrote: > >> I had that problem too. >> >> I reset the permissions, to allow me to open the application, while it >> was on my desktop (Mac OS X). If I move it away from the desktop, it >> will no longer launch properly. > > Chuck, > > I wonder if you have download latest a69 ? > > It uses .dmg format > > > -- > Best regards, > Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] > ------------------------------------------------------------- > e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com > web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > From j.peters at valentina-db.de Mon Oct 25 11:26:37 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Mon Oct 25 04:27:03 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: <1gm6men.147yhx910bb49eM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> References: <0A6F4D92-245F-11D9-8E39-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> <1gm6men.147yhx910bb49eM%K.Klamp@t-online.de> Message-ID: <48364.62.154.199.179.1098696397.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Kurt, > just to let you know: > > if i move the vStudio application from the top level of the applications > folder to a sub folder (what i want to do) vStudio doesn't launch > anymore (same behaviour as discussed the last days-- the icon jumps 2-3 > times in the dock and then it diasappears). This is not a new a69 > issue, same as in a68 and a66 (i forgot to post it). Ok - i have never tried that - i will check.. So - you do not get any Crash log? -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From j.peters at valentina-db.de Mon Oct 25 11:36:11 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Mon Oct 25 04:36:25 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Chuck! > Here are observations: > > [1] Application does start out of the box, but only from the desktop. > [2] Putting it in the folder where I keep my development tools, it will > not launch. > [3] However, it will run from inside the Applications folder. This seems to be the same problem which Kurt has reported. I will investigate this. > [4] I can create a new database in the folder that is the default > location, as presented in the create new database dialog. However, I > cannot create a new database in a separate folder where I like to keep > such activities. I get an error message that reads: Valentina Studio > Error, Kernel Error: -43. There is no other file of the name I entered > in that folder. Chuck - can you OPEN a db located somewhere else? (Just move the created db from the default location to another place and try to open it there) > > Hope this helps. > > This looks like a promising application. However, I'm a bit leery of > spending $60 for the privilege of being an Alpha-tester. [Note: I > 'assume' that's what the "a" means in the version number; this project > is in the alpha-test stage of development.] Yes - correct. It's Alpha...:-) On the other hand you can use it already for: - maniupulating database structure - browsing data - import data from ODBC .... So - it is called Alpha because it does not contain all the funcionality of the final version. > > Also, if we are in development mode here, how about removing the > 10-minute time limitation and installing a date limitation while we're > debugging? Say like so many days after installation. And, base the days > on the mean time between versions. Or a drop-dead date based on when > you plan to have another version out. Then, once you've got the final > form running, ask for the money. Well - we will think about that. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Oct 25 12:59:16 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon Oct 25 04:59:36 2004 Subject: [ANN] Build 1.0a69 available In-Reply-To: <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: On 10/25/04 12:36 PM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: >> This looks like a promising application. However, I'm a bit leery of >> spending $60 for the privilege of being an Alpha-tester. [Note: I >> 'assume' that's what the "a" means in the version number; this project >> is in the alpha-test stage of development.] > Yes - correct. It's Alpha...:-) > On the other hand you can use it already for: > - maniupulating database structure > - browsing data > - import data from ODBC > .... > So - it is called Alpha because it does not contain all the funcionality > of the final version. I want add that yes, Vstudio itself is alpha. but: 1) it right now can do a lots of things that VAPP can't: Windows version ODBC ability manage Valentina Server SQL editor and browser Any of this features do not exists in VAPP. 2) it is based on 1.10 FINAL version of Vengine. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From cbpelto at pcisys.net Mon Oct 25 09:53:55 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Mon Oct 25 10:54:32 2004 Subject: V Studio Build 1.0a69 Crash Report In-Reply-To: <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: <1389B4F6-269E-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> On Oct 25, 2004, at 3:36 AM, Jochen Peters wrote: >> [4] I can create a new database in the folder that is the default >> location, as presented in the create new database dialog. However, I >> cannot create a new database in a separate folder where I like to keep >> such activities. I get an error message that reads: Valentina Studio >> Error, Kernel Error: -43. There is no other file of the name I entered >> in that folder. > Chuck - can you OPEN a db located somewhere else? (Just move the > created db > from the default location to another place and try to open it there) Moved database created by VStudio in an earlier run to the folder where I like to store such things. Tried to open database from inside of V Studio. No Joy. Application crashes when I select the Open Database item in the File menu. Crash report is attached with this message. Don't even have a chance to even see if the database can be seen by the application, let alone opened. Crash occurs immediately after Open Database is selected. >> This looks like a promising application. However, I'm a bit leery of >> spending $60 for the privilege of being an Alpha-tester. [Note: I >> 'assume' that's what the "a" means in the version number; this project >> is in the alpha-test stage of development.] > Yes - correct. It's Alpha...:-) > On the other hand you can use it already for: > - maniupulating database structure > - browsing data > - import data from ODBC > .... > So - it is called Alpha because it does not contain all the > funcionality > of the final version. As I said, this looks promising. Still not keen on the idea of paying to be an alpha-tester. What if the project is never completed? You COULD have an accident. I'm more than happy to be a tester for you. I'll pay for the completed project when it is in final form. But paying for it in this stage of development is not good business practice from my persepective. >> Also, if we are in development mode here, how about removing the >> 10-minute time limitation and installing a date limitation while we're >> debugging? Say like so many days after installation. And, base the >> days >> on the mean time between versions. Or a drop-dead date based on when >> you plan to have another version out. Then, once you've got the final >> form running, ask for the money. > Well - we will think about that. Case in point, I cannot prepare a bug-report before the thing wants to shut down. Therefore, I can conceive of situations where I'd have to try to recreate the whole series of steps from scratch in order to give you as good a report as possible. 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Tried to open database from inside > of V Studio. > > No Joy. Application crashes when I select the Open Database item in > the File menu. Crash report is attached with this message. Don't even > have a chance to even see if the database can be seen by the > application, let alone opened. Crash occurs immediately after Open > Database is selected. This sounds really strange!! I have tried here on my machine: i can move the application to ANY place and it can still run! And i don't get any crash in "Open database" Hhmm - Chuck - have you installed any third party system extension, like DefaultFolder or something like that? Does anybody else have this kind of problem? -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From cbpelto at pcisys.net Mon Oct 25 10:23:13 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Mon Oct 25 11:23:32 2004 Subject: V Studio Build 1.0a69 Crash Report In-Reply-To: <42C8BCCE-26A0-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1389B4F6-269E-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <42C8BCCE-26A0-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: <2B2E3454-26A2-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> Hi Jochen, I have the following additions to my system prefs: [1] Slimp Server, an mp3 stereo device. [2] Tinker Tools [3] Window Shade X [4] APE Manager The last two are deactivated. Would you care for a Profile of the platform? Regards, Chuck On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Jochen Peters wrote: > Hi Chuck, > >> Moved database created by VStudio in an earlier run to the folder >> where I like to store such things. Tried to open database from inside >> of V Studio. >> >> No Joy. Application crashes when I select the Open Database item in >> the File menu. Crash report is attached with this message. Don't even >> have a chance to even see if the database can be seen by the >> application, let alone opened. Crash occurs immediately after Open >> Database is selected. > > This sounds really strange!! I have tried here on my machine: i can > move the application to ANY place and it can still run! And i don't > get any > crash in "Open database" > Hhmm - Chuck - have you installed any third party system extension, > like DefaultFolder or something like that? > > Does anybody else have this kind of problem? > > > > -- > Best regards, > Jochen Peters > PIIT GmbH > > ------------------------------------ > http://www.valentina-db.de > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > From cbpelto at pcisys.net Mon Oct 25 10:36:47 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Mon Oct 25 11:37:04 2004 Subject: V Studio Build 1.0a69 Crash Report [Addendum] In-Reply-To: <2B2E3454-26A2-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1389B4F6-269E-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <42C8BCCE-26A0-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> <2B2E3454-26A2-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <106D2925-26A4-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> Updated Information on Crash: Crash occurs when I try to open a database from inside V Studio when there is no currently opened database. In the earlier instance, I had to close the window that opens by default when launching V Studio. Otherwise, the Open Database item in the File menu was in shadow. Once the default window was closed, the Open Database item became available and I could select it. Then the application would crash. I tried again, in an effort to demonstrate the problem to my boss and this time, the Open Database item was NOT in shadow. So I selected IT and was able to get an Open dialog up. I browsed my way to the moved database I tried to open earlier. I could see it. And I could select it. I attempted to open it and got a Kernel error: -43 message this time. This error occurs on any V database object I attempt to open. Even those created with VAPP and manually inside of REALbasic. Regards, Chuck On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Chuck Pelto wrote: > Hi Jochen, > > I have the following additions to my system prefs: > > [1] Slimp Server, an mp3 stereo device. > [2] Tinker Tools > [3] Window Shade X > [4] APE Manager > > The last two are deactivated. > > Would you care for a Profile of the platform? > > Regards, > > Chuck > > On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Jochen Peters wrote: > >> Hi Chuck, >> >>> Moved database created by VStudio in an earlier run to the folder >>> where I like to store such things. Tried to open database from >>> inside of V Studio. >>> >>> No Joy. Application crashes when I select the Open Database item in >>> the File menu. Crash report is attached with this message. Don't >>> even have a chance to even see if the database can be seen by the >>> application, let alone opened. Crash occurs immediately after Open >>> Database is selected. >> >> This sounds really strange!! I have tried here on my machine: i can >> move the application to ANY place and it can still run! And i don't >> get any >> crash in "Open database" >> Hhmm - Chuck - have you installed any third party system extension, >> like DefaultFolder or something like that? >> >> Does anybody else have this kind of problem? >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Jochen Peters >> PIIT GmbH >> >> ------------------------------------ >> http://www.valentina-db.de >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Valentina-studio mailing list >> Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net >> http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio >> > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > From j.peters at valentina-db.de Mon Oct 25 18:51:41 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Mon Oct 25 11:52:02 2004 Subject: V Studio Build 1.0a69 Crash Report [Addendum] In-Reply-To: <106D2925-26A4-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1389B4F6-269E-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <42C8BCCE-26A0-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> <2B2E3454-26A2-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <106D2925-26A4-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <24F1A082-26A6-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Hi Chuck, > Updated Information on Crash: > > Crash occurs when I try to open a database from inside V Studio when > there is no currently opened database. > > In the earlier instance, I had to close the window that opens by > default when launching V Studio. Otherwise, the Open Database item in > the File menu was in shadow. Once the default window was closed, the > Open Database item became available and I could select it. Then the > application would crash. AHHHH!!!! Ok - got it!!! Thank you very much, Chuck! Ok - i see the problem now! I will fix that for the next build. In the meantime: PLEASE click on the "Valentina 1.x files" entry in the datasource list BEFORE you choose to open a database. > > I tried again, in an effort to demonstrate the problem to my boss and > this time, the Open Database item was NOT in shadow. So I selected IT > and was able to get an Open dialog up. I browsed my way to the moved > database I tried to open earlier. I could see it. And I could select > it. I attempted to open it and got a Kernel error: -43 message this > time. This error occurs on any V database object I attempt to open. > Even those created with VAPP and manually inside of REALbasic. Chuck - has you changed any permissions/flags on Valentina Studio? (Like this dance with the Terminal window which Ruslan has explained)? To me it looks like a problem with access rights... -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From cbpelto at pcisys.net Mon Oct 25 13:04:16 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Mon Oct 25 14:04:36 2004 Subject: V Studio Build 1.0a69 Crash Report [Addendum] In-Reply-To: <24F1A082-26A6-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1389B4F6-269E-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <42C8BCCE-26A0-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> <2B2E3454-26A2-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <106D2925-26A4-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net> <24F1A082-26A6-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:51 AM, Jochen Peters wrote: >> Updated Information on Crash: >> >> Crash occurs when I try to open a database from inside V Studio when >> there is no currently opened database. >> >> In the earlier instance, I had to close the window that opens by >> default when launching V Studio. Otherwise, the Open Database item in >> the File menu was in shadow. Once the default window was closed, the >> Open Database item became available and I could select it. Then the >> application would crash. > AHHHH!!!! > Ok - got it!!! > Thank you very much, Chuck! Ok - i see the problem now! I will fix > that for the next build. In the meantime: > PLEASE click on the "Valentina 1.x files" entry in the datasource list > BEFORE you choose to open a database. The "Valentina 1.x files" was/is now highlighted. I cannot open any V database that is NOT on the Desktop itself. I get the kernel error: -43 message. I CAN open a V database if it IS on the Desktop itself. >> I tried again, in an effort to demonstrate the problem to my boss and >> this time, the Open Database item was NOT in shadow. So I selected IT >> and was able to get an Open dialog up. I browsed my way to the moved >> database I tried to open earlier. I could see it. And I could select >> it. I attempted to open it and got a Kernel error: -43 message this >> time. This error occurs on any V database object I attempt to open. >> Even those created with VAPP and manually inside of REALbasic. > Chuck - has you changed any permissions/flags on Valentina Studio? > (Like this dance with the Terminal window which Ruslan has > explained)? > To me it looks like a problem with access rights... I have not mucked around in Terminal to change permissions on anything since that business with v a68, Ruslan and I were dealing with several days ago. Regards, Chuck From cbpelto at pcisys.net Mon Oct 25 13:05:38 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Mon Oct 25 14:05:56 2004 Subject: E-R Diagrams Message-ID: Greetings, Is it intended that this application, when finished, will be able to do Entity-Relationship (E-R) Diagrams? Regards, Chuck From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Oct 26 07:04:18 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Oct 26 00:04:37 2004 Subject: E-R Diagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21139.62.154.199.179.1098767058.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Chuck, > > Is it intended that this application, when finished, will be able to do > Entity-Relationship (E-R) Diagrams? > Yes Chuck! My plan is to integrate UML modelling into vStudio. I already have written some parts of it - but i will integrate it AFTER the initial 1.0 release. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Oct 26 07:30:09 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Oct 26 00:30:26 2004 Subject: V Studio Build 1.0a69 Crash Report [Addendum] In-Reply-To: References: <70C7C10C-2664-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net><11089.62.154.199.179.1098696971.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de><1389B4F6-269E-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net><42C8BCCE-26A0-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de><2B2E3454-26A2-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net><106D2925-26A4-11D9-8C54-00306549C134@pcisys.net><24F1A082-26A6-11D9-863C-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: <33451.62.154.199.179.1098768609.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Chuck, > I cannot open any V database that is NOT on the Desktop itself. I get > the kernel error: -43 message. > > I CAN open a V database if it IS on the Desktop itself. -43 means: file not found. Strange. I will include more debug messages in the next build to track that down. I will release the next build soon - i think in 2 - 3 days. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From m.young at mac.com Tue Oct 26 00:08:38 2004 From: m.young at mac.com (M Young) Date: Tue Oct 26 01:09:06 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me Message-ID: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> In column view, Table Elements has scroll bar at the bottom when VS is started. (No database has been created yet.) The scroll bar flashes visible and invisible when the Table Elements column is made wider OR narrower. If I stop widening or narrowing when it flashes visible, the scroll bar stays visible when I stop changing the column size. If I stop widening or narrowing when it flashes invisible, the scroll bar stays invisible when I stop changing the column size. Also I like apps that open to the last on screen object placement I have used, although I understand that others prefer the default object location to always be the same and set by the apps programmer. I have a 1600 by 1200 pixel screen and it gets tiresome moving the objects very time I open VS. Why is "Valentina 1.x files" present in the Datasources column with "Show all" or "Valentina 1.10 Database Files" selected when I have not created any files yet? http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt generated error: Warning: Smarty error: unable to read template resource: "index.html" in /var/www/html/libs/Smarty.class.php on line 1043 G5 dual processor 1.8 GHz (June 2004 version) OS X 10.3.5 Safari browser Michael -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1397 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.macserve.net/pipermail/valentina-studio/attachments/20041026/c038803c/attachment-0001.bin From j.peters at valentina-db.de Tue Oct 26 09:22:00 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Tue Oct 26 02:22:20 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> Message-ID: <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Michael! > In column view, Table Elements has scroll bar at the bottom when VS is > started. (No database has been created yet.) The scroll bar flashes > visible and invisible when the Table Elements column is made wider OR > narrower. If I stop widening or narrowing when it flashes visible, the > scroll bar stays visible when I stop changing the column size. If I > stop widening or narrowing when it flashes invisible, the scroll bar > stays invisible when I stop changing the column size. Yes - this is a known issue. This will be fixed for the final release - it is mainly related to the underlying GUI lib... > > Also I like apps that open to the last on screen object placement I > have used, although I understand that others prefer the default object > location to always be the same and set by the apps programmer. I have a > 1600 by 1200 pixel screen and it gets tiresome moving the objects very > time I open VS. Yes - Valentina Studio will store all screen positions and other GUI status information for restoring the working environment on startup. Please note that this feature is only implemented partly and must ne extended for the next builds. > > Why is "Valentina 1.x files" present in the Datasources column with > "Show all" or "Valentina 1.10 Database Files" selected when I have not > created any files yet? The first column is for grouping different datasources. Because you have always access to the local filesystem to open file-based db's this entry is always shown. > > http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt generated error: Warning: Smarty > error: unable to read template resource: "index.html" in > /var/www/html/libs/Smarty.class.php on line 1043 My fault - URL must be: http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt/ -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From m.young at mac.com Tue Oct 26 09:29:34 2004 From: m.young at mac.com (Michael Young) Date: Tue Oct 26 10:32:25 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> Jochen Peters wrote: >>Why is "Valentina 1.x files" present in the Datasources column with >>"Show all" or "Valentina 1.10 Database Files" selected when I have not >>created any files yet? > > The first column is for grouping different datasources. Because you have > always access to the local filesystem to open file-based db's this entry > is always shown. > If this product is ever going to be used by end users, I think this filesystem idea may confuse them. I just polled my sophisticated end users and they had no clue what a filesystem is. If there is no database created yet, then I think the column should be empty. Michael --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by CENTRIC INTERNET SERVICES] From j.peters at valentina-db.de Wed Oct 27 10:27:28 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Wed Oct 27 03:27:38 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com><11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> Message-ID: <25436.62.154.199.179.1098865648.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Hi Michael, >. I just polled my sophisticated end users > and they had no clue what a filesystem is. If there is no database created > yet, then I think the column should be empty. Michael - your end user don't have to know anything about "filesystems" - The entry "Valentina files 1.x" is only used for grouping different datasources - note that you can not only open databases from Valentina but also from Valentina Server and ODBC datasources. So - when you choose to open a database the kind of databases which will be opened depends on what is selected in the first column. Because you can always open local Valentina databases this entry is always shown. You cannot always open for example ODBC databases - for this you must first open a connection to the ODBC datasource... You can also think about it as a folder. It is present even if there are no files in it.. Well - but in any case i am free for any good ideas here - so - if anyone consider this approach as not easy enough for beginners we can try to change that. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH -------------------------- http://www.valentina-db.de From m.young at mac.com Wed Oct 27 19:45:51 2004 From: m.young at mac.com (M Young) Date: Wed Oct 27 20:46:08 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <25436.62.154.199.179.1098865648.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> <25436.62.154.199.179.1098865648.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> Message-ID: <1976B726-2883-11D9-9E1C-000D932C41DE@mac.com> On Oct 27, 2004, at 2:27 AM, Jochen Peters wrote: > Hi Michael, > >> . I just polled my sophisticated end users >> and they had no clue what a filesystem is. If there is no database >> created >> yet, then I think the column should be empty. > Michael - your end user don't have to know anything about > "filesystems" - > The entry "Valentina files 1.x" is only used for grouping different > datasources - note that you can not only open databases from Valentina > but > also from Valentina Server and ODBC datasources. So - when you choose > to open a database the kind of databases which will be opened depends > on > what is selected in the first column. Because you can always open local > Valentina databases this entry is always shown. You cannot always open > for example ODBC databases - for this you must first open a connection > to > the ODBC datasource... > You can also think about it as a folder. It is present even if there > are > no files in it.. > I had my most sophisticated end user look at VS again. She looked at the datasources column. She furrowed her brow when she learned that there were no data files but Valentina files 1.x was present in the column. It made no sense to her. > Well - but in any case i am free for any good ideas here - so - if > anyone > consider this approach as not easy enough for beginners we can try to > change > that. > Please explain again why Valentina files 1.x _has_ to be present in the datasources column when there are no local files. I don?t get it and neither do my end users. It makes more sense to me for something like ?Valentina local files 1.x? to be present _after_ a later data file is created. Michael From j.peters at valentina-db.de Thu Oct 28 20:41:53 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Thu Oct 28 13:42:05 2004 Subject: [ANN] vStudio 1.0a70 available Message-ID: <0977F3B4-2911-11D9-8F3F-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Hi all, you can download a70 build from: http://www.valentina-db.de/en/downloads/downvstd.shtml This is mainly a bugfix release preparing some stuff for the 2.x Valentina engine. I have also improved error handling for creating/opening databases. Chuck - please try this build with your -43 error problem. You should now see the complete path to the database vStudio tries to create/open. Let me know what you see... PLEASE REPORT ANY BUGS HERE: http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt/ So far i have no open Bugreport in the system !! So - vStudio is bug free? :-) -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From j.peters at valentina-db.de Thu Oct 28 20:47:02 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Thu Oct 28 13:47:07 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <1976B726-2883-11D9-9E1C-000D932C41DE@mac.com> References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> <25436.62.154.199.179.1098865648.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1976B726-2883-11D9-9E1C-000D932C41DE@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, > Please explain again why Valentina files 1.x _has_ to be present in the > datasources column when there are no local files. I don?t get it and > neither > do my end users. It makes more sense to me for something like > ?Valentina local files 1.x? to be present _after_ a later data file is > created. I see your point, Michael. Look - vStudio can open several KINDS of databases: - Valentina 1.x databases - Valentina 2.x databases (not in the current alpha) - Valentina Server databases - ODBC databases We have ONE menu entry "Open database.." - so - how can i tell vStudio WHICH KIND of database i want to open? Well - i can provide FOUR menu entries..- but this is bad, unflexible way. Current implementation is: You click in the first column on the kind/type of database you wish to work with. But - well - maybe this must be improved - i will think about it... -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From m.young at mac.com Fri Oct 29 00:32:11 2004 From: m.young at mac.com (M Young) Date: Fri Oct 29 01:32:33 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> <25436.62.154.199.179.1098865648.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1976B726-2883-11D9-9E1C-000D932C41DE@mac.com> Message-ID: <439C7A94-2974-11D9-8551-000D932BD416@mac.com> On Oct 28, 2004, at 12:47 PM, Jochen Peters wrote: > Hi Michael, > > >> Please explain again why Valentina files 1.x _has_ to be present in >> the >> datasources column when there are no local files. I don?t get it and >> neither >> do my end users. It makes more sense to me for something like >> ?Valentina local files 1.x? to be present _after_ a later data file >> is created. > I see your point, Michael. > > Look - vStudio can open several KINDS of databases: > - Valentina 1.x databases > - Valentina 2.x databases (not in the current alpha) > - Valentina Server databases > - ODBC databases > > We have ONE menu entry "Open database.." - so - how can i tell vStudio > WHICH KIND of > database i want to open? Well - i can provide FOUR menu entries..- but > this is bad, unflexible way. > Current implementation is: You click in the first column on the > kind/type of database you wish to > work with. > > But - well - maybe this must be improved - i will think about it... > > > -- > Best regards, > Jochen Peters > PIIT GmbH > > Datasources column + at column bottom gets Connect to Valentina Server/ODBC datasource dialog. Several problems as I see it. 1) Datasourc is missing the e. 2) Do you really want the dialog Title Bar to change depending on the dataource type selected? I suppose it makes some sense. 3) In Datasourc you have ODBC datasource but in the Title Bar you have ODBC data source as two words not one. 4) Why not include Valentina data files here as a potential datasource option in this dialog? 5) + sign to me means add, so I would expect to create any database file when clicking the +, even the Valentina 1.x and 2.x types. In other words, I expect the + to act the same as menu item File select New database. But you are using the + as similar to menu item File select Open database, except ODBC and Valentina Server rather than Valentina databases are opened. Have you noticed that in the four VS columns you have inconsistent use of + and -? In the Datasources column + is open and - is close, while in the other columns + is create and - is delete supposedly. I think this difference may cause confusion. Why not have two more buttons at Datasources column bottom for open and close datasources and use + for create and - for delete. Which brings up another point, I would suggest using the same terminology in the columns as in the menu so either create in both places or new in both places. For example my people will be confused that New database gets created as a Datasource Elements. Also if you can create a New database through File menu, where is the option to delete it through the File menu? In addition, delete Datasource elements - at column bottom does not work like I expect that it should. It apparently closes but does not actually delete the datasource element since I see the supposedly deleted datasource element on my hard drive. It appears that the - really acts to close the datasource element and I am not sure that is what you want? Why is it bad to have Open database as a main menu item with four or more submenu selections? Thanks for being open to discussion, Michael From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 29 10:01:43 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri Oct 29 02:02:50 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <439C7A94-2974-11D9-8551-000D932BD416@mac.com> Message-ID: On 10/29/04 9:32 AM, "M Young" wrote: > 1) Datasourc is missing the e. Another typo I think. When I quite app with open db it show dialog db is open. Close anyhow ? I think more correct to use 'anyway' instead of 'anyhow' -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------------------------------------------------------------- From j.peters at valentina-db.de Fri Oct 29 10:01:09 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Fri Oct 29 03:01:26 2004 Subject: a69 cosmetic issues and bug system did not work for me In-Reply-To: <439C7A94-2974-11D9-8551-000D932BD416@mac.com> References: <7A4F27ED-2715-11D9-BFAA-000D932BD416@mac.com> <11228.62.154.199.179.1098775320.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <417E6D5E.4020209@mac.com> <25436.62.154.199.179.1098865648.squirrel@webmail3.server-einstellung.de> <1976B726-2883-11D9-9E1C-000D932C41DE@mac.com> <439C7A94-2974-11D9-8551-000D932BD416@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael! > Datasources column + at column bottom gets Connect to Valentina > Server/ODBC datasource dialog. Several problems as I see it. > > 1) Datasourc is missing the e. Ok. > > 2) Do you really want the dialog Title Bar to change depending on the > dataource type selected? I suppose it makes some sense. I think yes. > > 3) In Datasourc you have ODBC datasource but in the Title Bar you have > ODBC data source as two words not one. Ok - which one is correct? I guess one word, datasource, yes? > > 4) Why not include Valentina data files here as a potential datasource > option in this dialog? Yes - this would be possible. On the other hand for local files all of the options in this dialog makes no sense - instead for local files we only need a file select box. So - i think this "Connect to.." dialog is for remote databases only, > > 5) + sign to me means add, so I would expect to create any database > file when clicking the +, even the Valentina 1.x and 2.x types. In > other words, I expect the + to act the same as menu item File select > New database. But you are using the + as similar to menu item File > select Open database, except ODBC and Valentina Server rather than > Valentina databases are opened. Have you noticed that in the four VS > columns you have inconsistent use of + and -? In the Datasources > column + is open and - is close, while in the other columns + is > create and - is delete supposedly. I think this difference may cause > confusion. Why not have two more buttons at Datasources column bottom > for open and close datasources and use + for create and - for delete. Yes - i am aware of this inconsistent use. This must be fixed. In the first run i have implemented this only because i have used it in the development process - i simply need a button to quickly open/close a database. You are absolutly right - i will connect the + button with the create dialog. Maybe it would be better to have some other buttons for the first two columns - because it makes no sense to delete database files from inside vStudio... > Which brings up another point, I would suggest using the same > terminology in the columns as in the menu so either create in both > places or new in both places. For example my people will be confused > that New database gets created as a Datasource Elements. Also if you > can create a New database through File menu, where is the option to > delete it through the File menu? In addition, delete Datasource > elements - at column bottom does not work like I expect that it > should. It apparently closes but does not actually delete the > datasource element since I see the supposedly deleted datasource > element on my hard drive. It appears that the - really acts to close > the datasource element and I am not sure that is what you want? See above. I think delete makes no sense here - but this can be easily fixed by choosing some other button - so we will not have a "-" button at the bottom of the first two columns - instead we will have a "close" button. > > Why is it bad to have Open database as a main menu item with four or > more submenu selections? Yes - this is possible. Well - i can easy implement this for the next build - so we can test if this is better. > > Thanks for being open to discussion, Thanks for your suggestions, Michael! > -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From cbpelto at pcisys.net Fri Oct 29 10:52:26 2004 From: cbpelto at pcisys.net (Chuck Pelto) Date: Fri Oct 29 11:52:34 2004 Subject: [ANN] vStudio 1.0a70 available In-Reply-To: <0977F3B4-2911-11D9-8F3F-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> References: <0977F3B4-2911-11D9-8F3F-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: Bug reports submitted. No joy on the previous two bugs being solved. And, we look like we've added a new bug, or rather mutated it. Regards, Chuck On Oct 28, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Jochen Peters wrote: > Hi all, > > you can download a70 build from: > > http://www.valentina-db.de/en/downloads/downvstd.shtml > > > This is mainly a bugfix release preparing some stuff for the 2.x > Valentina engine. > I have also improved error handling for creating/opening databases. > Chuck - please try this build with your -43 error problem. > You should now see the complete path to the database vStudio tries to > create/open. > Let me know what you see... > > PLEASE REPORT ANY BUGS HERE: > http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt/ > > So far i have no open Bugreport in the system !! So - vStudio is bug > free? :-) > > > -- > Best regards, > Jochen Peters > PIIT GmbH > > ------------------------------------ > http://www.valentina-db.de > > _______________________________________________ > Valentina-studio mailing list > Valentina-studio@lists.macserve.net > http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-studio > From j.peters at valentina-db.de Sun Oct 31 08:45:37 2004 From: j.peters at valentina-db.de (Jochen Peters) Date: Sun Oct 31 01:45:38 2004 Subject: [ANN] vStudio 1.0a70 available In-Reply-To: References: <0977F3B4-2911-11D9-8F3F-000A959F6B0C@valentina-db.de> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, > Bug reports submitted. Thanks! > > No joy on the previous two bugs being solved. > > And, we look like we've added a new bug, or rather mutated it. > Chuck - what path do you see in the Kernel -43 error box when you try to open a database? (Maybe you must click on the "Details" button. Please send me this path - something must be wrong there. -- Best regards, Jochen Peters PIIT GmbH ------------------------------------ http://www.valentina-db.de From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Sun Oct 31 10:46:39 2004 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun Oct 31 02:47:49 2004 Subject: [ANN] vStudio 1.0a70 available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/31/04 10:45 AM, "Jochen Peters" wrote: > Hi Chuck, > >> Bug reports submitted. > Thanks! > >> >> No joy on the previous two bugs being solved. >> >> And, we look like we've added a new bug, or rather mutated it. >> > Chuck - what path do you see in the Kernel -43 error box when you try > to open > a database? (Maybe you must click on the "Details" button. > Please send me this path - something must be wrong there. Jochen, I also get this error if I do db new click Browse button choose any else except desktop Error -43 -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ] ------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: ruslan@paradigmasoft.com web: http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list go to: http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina -------------------------------------------------------------