From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun May  1 20:06:15 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May  1 12:06:24 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3fc6 uploaded   //  v4rb2.0.3fc5 difficulties
In-Reply-To: <BE9AD2FF.2FA6D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BE9AE737.2FA7A%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

Thanks to Robert Nichols, we have found that V4RB 2.0.3 fc5
was broken in work with Vserver.

    problem was that CodeWarrior project sometimes lost one setting,
    and there is no way easy to note this.

Now this problem is fixed, and V4RB 2.0.3 fc6 is uploaded.
V4MD and Vserver fc5 are ok.

So if you need Vserver please download V4RB 2.0.3 fc6


----------
Also 2.0.3fc6 fixes a couple of bugs reported by Frank Schima.

    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_203fc6_mac.dmg


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Ruslan Zasukhin
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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From arthur at visiblearea.com  Mon May  2 00:15:47 2005
From: arthur at visiblearea.com (Arthur Clemens)
Date: Sun May  1 17:16:00 2005
Subject: XCode framework status?
In-Reply-To: <BE9AE737.2FA7A%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE9AE737.2FA7A%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <33E55916-30F3-459B-85A3-EB975AA71921@visiblearea.com>


Hi Ruslan

Could you give me a quick update on the status of the C++ / XCode  
framework version of Valentina? Is there a Valentina 2 version?
I couldn't find it on the site.

cheers

Arthur Clemens
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May  2 01:28:10 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May  1 17:28:20 2005
Subject: XCode framework status?
In-Reply-To: <33E55916-30F3-459B-85A3-EB975AA71921@visiblearea.com>
Message-ID: <BE9B32AA.2FAB1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/2/05 1:15 AM, "Arthur Clemens" <arthur@visiblearea.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan
> 
> Could you give me a quick update on the status of the C++ / XCode
> framework version of Valentina? Is there a Valentina 2 version?
> I couldn't find it on the site.

Hi Arthur,

In the best case -- begin of June


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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Mon May  2 09:06:35 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May  2 08:06:55 2005
Subject: myCursor = nil -> crash
In-Reply-To: <BE8ECEC8.2EFA9%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE8ECEC8.2EFA9%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002009be9bd58e02b3@[137.187.213.114]>

Hi Ruslan,

I just found out that something in the latest 2.0.3 builds crashes 
code that has worked for all previous builds.

I create a temporary database and temporary cursor (meaning, neither 
are written to disk):

   refDB = new myDatabase
   myCursor = new VCursor(refDB, "select * from thereferences where 
false", EVCursorLocation.kServerSide, EVLockType.kReadWrite) //make 
an empty cursor
   if myCursor <> nil then //fill cursor with example values
     myCursor.setBlank
     myCursor = fillMyCursorExample(myCursor)

     ...do stuff...

and when it's finished,

myCursor = nil
refDB = nil

This crashes in myCursor = nil (refDB = nil is OK).

If I remove the line, my app crashes when the function is done (and 
an implicit nil occurs). Here's the crash log:

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x020eccf0 
_ct__Q23fbl15LogicalFile_ImpFQ23fbl24smart_ptr<Q23fbl6I_File>Ul + 0x80
1   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x02252390 
_ct__Q23fbl9Lock_FileFQ23fbl24smart_ptr<Q23fbl6I_File> + 0x48
2   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x0225224c 
get_LockFile__Q23fbl21TableStorage_SeparateFb + 0xf8
3   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x023b4834 
MakeCreateLock__Q23fbl5TableFv + 0xa0
4   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x023b50f0 
UnlockSet__Q23fbl5TableFQ23fbl21smart_ptr<Q23fbl3Set>Usb + 0xcc
5   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x0224bda4 
UnlockSet__Q23fbl14Table_IndirectFQ23fbl21smart_ptr<Q23fbl3Set>Usb + 
0x160
6   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x021ad60c 
Unlock__Q23fbl11LockManagerFQ23fbl34smart_ptr<Q23fbl15Locking_Command> 
+ 0x90
7   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x021acfbc _dt__Q24vsql6CursorFv + 0x84
8   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x021ad4e0 
Release__Q23fbl59I_Unknown_Impl2<Q24vsql8I_Cursor,Q23fbl17ForeignPlugin_imp>CFv 
+ 0x34
9   Plugin                         	0x004f9294 
Cursor_Destructor__FP16REALobjectStructPv + 0x14c


Any suggestions?

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May  2 16:12:50 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon May  2 08:12:56 2005
Subject: myCursor = nil -> crash
In-Reply-To: <p06002009be9bd58e02b3@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BE9C0202.2FB51%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/2/05 4:06 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> 
> Any suggestions?

Project :-)

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May  2 16:13:58 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon May  2 08:14:02 2005
Subject: myCursor = nil -> crash
In-Reply-To: <p06002009be9bd58e02b3@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BE9C0246.2FB52%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/2/05 4:06 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

> I just found out that something in the latest 2.0.3 builds crashes
> code that has worked for all previous builds.
> 
> I create a temporary database and temporary cursor (meaning, neither
> are written to disk):
> 
>    refDB = new myDatabase
>    myCursor = new VCursor(refDB, "select * from thereferences where
> false", EVCursorLocation.kServerSide, EVLockType.kReadWrite) //make
> an empty cursor


Do you mean that this should product RAM - based database ?

Then you need 

        refDB = new myDatabase( EVStorageType.kRam )



>    if myCursor <> nil then //fill cursor with example values
>      myCursor.setBlank
>      myCursor = fillMyCursorExample(myCursor)
> 
>      ...do stuff...
> 
> and when it's finished,
> 
> myCursor = nil
> refDB = nil




-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Mon May  2 09:50:13 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May  2 08:50:20 2005
Subject: myCursor = nil -> crash
In-Reply-To: <BE9C0246.2FB52%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE9C0246.2FB52%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbe9bdfe26d11@[137.187.213.114]>

>
>
>
>Do you mean that this should product RAM - based database ?
>
>Then you need
>
>         refDB = new myDatabase( EVStorageType.kRam )
>

Ah, thanks, it looks like that was the problem!

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue May  3 10:34:17 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May  3 02:35:00 2005
Subject: QUESTION: anybody success with Vserver fc5 and V4RB/V4MD ?
Message-ID: <BE9D0429.2FC9C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

Robert have strange behavior with fc5,

So we need info if somebody can work fine with fc5 ?

I mean can you run e.g. Our exmaples in client mode and see that this works
with Vserver fc 5?



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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed May  4 01:14:34 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May  3 17:14:47 2005
Subject: ValentinaSQL_2_en.pdf updated
Message-ID: <BE9DD27A.2FDD4%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>


    ValentinaSQL_2_en.pdf


Added 3 new pages about Operator ->


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed May  4 01:24:19 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May  3 17:24:23 2005
Subject: V4RB, V4MD, VServer_Office for mac 2.0..3fc6 uploaded
Message-ID: <BE9DD4C3.2FDDB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

? This build is made in the hope that for Robert and Peter will start to
work client part.

? Also updated are ExampleGuide.pdf files for V4RB and V4MD.
Now it have Introduction page. And list all examples added in last time.

? Robert, this time I have upload Vserver Office fc6.

? Jon (jda), check your problem with Update by empty string.


? Archives for download are:

    
    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4MD_203fc6_mac.dmg

    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_203fc6_mac.dmg

    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/VServer_Office_203fc6_mac.dmg


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed May  4 01:41:24 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May  3 17:41:33 2005
Subject: Feedback from Peter on fc6
Message-ID: <BE9DD8C4.2FDE1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Peter Salomon (1:36:29 AM): ruslan, fc6 works fine for me!!!
Peter Salomon (1:37:48 AM): and maybe i have found one problem of robert:
Peter Salomon (1:38:12 AM): connecting as "localhost" gives me my connection
error

Peter Salomon (1:38:25 AM): but as "127.0.0.1" not...


rz (1:38:38 AM): hmm
rz (1:38:42 AM): thank you for info
rz (1:38:51 AM): but for me localhost also works


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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Tue May  3 20:02:58 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Tue May  3 19:03:09 2005
Subject: V4RB, V4MD, VServer_Office for mac 2.0..3fc6 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BE9DD4C3.2FDDB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE9DD4C3.2FDDB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002002be9dc17e5c7e@[10.0.1.5]>

>
>
>* Jon (jda), check your problem with Update by empty string.
>

Hi Ruslan,

No, this still does not work.

.setblank for a VText field -> does not work.

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed May  4 16:50:20 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed May  4 08:50:26 2005
Subject: FIXED: localhost problem on MAC
Message-ID: <BE9EADCC.2FE9A%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>



Problem was that if computer is not connected to inet,
Then DNS resolver not works, and Hmm strange Mac OS do not understand then
localhost. Windows in contrast still works fine.


So I have catch this case and localhost is mapped
to numeric 127.0.0.1 IP address.


-- 
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Ruslan Zasukhin
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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Wed May  4 16:02:58 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Wed May  4 15:03:11 2005
Subject: Unicode char changes in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <BE9C0202.2FB51%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE9C0202.2FB51%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002014be9eda8bd8db@[137.187.213.114]>

Hi Ruslan,

One user tells me that some of his unicode characters that were 
entered in my app have changed to garbage when he upgraded to Tiger. 
I am, of course, distributing my app with the IBM library. But RB 
uses the OS ICU library. Do you have any idea of why this might have 
happened? (There were Chinese characters, I believe).

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed May  4 23:08:43 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed May  4 15:08:52 2005
Subject: Unicode char changes in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p06002014be9eda8bd8db@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BE9F067B.2FF1C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/4/05 11:02 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> One user tells me that some of his unicode characters that were
> entered in my app have changed to garbage when he upgraded to Tiger.
> I am, of course, distributing my app with the IBM library. But RB
> uses the OS ICU library. Do you have any idea of why this might have
> happened? (There were Chinese characters, I believe).

May be Tiger use other version of ICU,

Although this should not break unicode tables.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Wed May  4 16:13:10 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Wed May  4 15:13:16 2005
Subject: Unicode char changes in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <BE9F067B.2FF1C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE9F067B.2FF1C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002017be9edd30774f@[137.187.213.114]>

>  > One user tells me that some of his unicode characters that were
>>  entered in my app have changed to garbage when he upgraded to Tiger.
>>  I am, of course, distributing my app with the IBM library. But RB
>>  uses the OS ICU library. Do you have any idea of why this might have
>  > happened? (There were Chinese characters, I believe).
>
>May be Tiger use other version of ICU,
>
>Although this should not break unicode tables.
>

That's exactly what I thought.

Anyone else try unicode chars in V2 with Panther and then Tiger? 
Anything break?

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May  5 03:01:31 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed May  4 19:01:37 2005
Subject: Valentina 2.0.3 products uploaded.
Message-ID: <BE9F3D0B.2FF74%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

V4RB, V4MD, Vservers 2.0.3 uploaded for both platforms.

--------------------------------------
V4RB and V4MD Tutorials are updated.

Lesson 2 show how make existed project working with Vserver.

V4MD Tutorial have Lesson 3 which show how to make ShockWave movie.


Please let us know, if you will find any troubles.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May  6 12:12:09 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May  6 04:12:27 2005
Subject: [ANN] Valentina Studio Administrator 2.0b6
In-Reply-To: <e8b269f315b93c07edc38cab692b21ad@valentina-db.de>
Message-ID: <BEA10F99.3016F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/6/05 12:03 PM, "Jochen Peters" <j.peters@valentina-db.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> you can download Valentina Studio Administrator 2.0b6 from
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com and http://www.valentina-db.de
> 
> This version fixes a connection problem between Studio and latest
> Server.
> 
> Please note:
> Connections from Mac to Mac and from Win to Win now works.
> Cross-Platform connections seems not to work, yet!

Hmm, we have test cross-platforms connections with Igor,
And they did work.

Okay we will try today again test this...

> This version of Valentina Studio works without problems on Tiger!

good

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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From rjb at robelko.com  Fri May  6 14:26:17 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri May  6 07:30:18 2005
Subject: Valentina documentation
In-Reply-To: <BD9FE51F.267E4%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BD9FE51F.267E4%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <a06110403bea10faa09e2@[141.89.100.174]>

I just looked more thoroughly at Valentina's documentation, trying to 
follow up on the new V2 features. It strikes me that the kernel 
document is heavily using C++ or RB syntax when explaining different 
things.

I wonder whether it would not be a good time for Paradigma to 
reshuffle the structure of documentation: make kernel doc more of a 
technology overview, focusing on general features, capabilities, 
restrictions, whereas moving all the  implementation aspects to 
guides for specific products, so they can be presented and discussed 
using the syntax and examples appropriate for each environment.

I do realize that this would mean greater duplication of some things 
than now, but I think it would be a great benefit to users, both old 
and new. It would allow Paradigma to better utilitze the feedback 
from the lists and may be (on the long term) get other people to 
contribute to the documentation. It would also help tracking 
documentation issues in Mantis.

Robert Brenstein
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May  6 15:38:14 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May  6 07:38:23 2005
Subject: Valentina documentation
In-Reply-To: <a06110403bea10faa09e2@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <BEA13FE6.301AE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/6/05 3:26 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

Yes, Valentina Kernel document is going to be splinted to few documents
Or to have several parts:

    Theory
    API Description

API description still will go by RB/Java style.
I think this is the best style which mirror Valentina conceptions.


> I just looked more thoroughly at Valentina's documentation, trying to
> follow up on the new V2 features. It strikes me that the kernel
> document is heavily using C++ or RB syntax when explaining different
> things.
> 
> I wonder whether it would not be a good time for Paradigma to
> reshuffle the structure of documentation: make kernel doc more of a
> technology overview, focusing on general features, capabilities,
> restrictions, whereas moving all the  implementation aspects to
> guides for specific products, so they can be presented and discussed
> using the syntax and examples appropriate for each environment.

I still think that API Description based on some ABSTRACTION layer also can
be good...may be I am wrong.

> I do realize that this would mean greater duplication of some things
> than now, 

Exactly. You should understand that it will be very hard as develop so keep
in synchronization several big documents for different languages.

> but I think it would be a great benefit to users, both old
> and new. 

> It would allow Paradigma to better utilitze the feedback
> from the lists and may be (on the long term) get other people to
> contribute to the documentation. It would also help tracking
> documentation issues in Mantis.



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From rjb at robelko.com  Fri May  6 14:50:01 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri May  6 08:10:08 2005
Subject: default values
Message-ID: <a06110406bea1141c15ec@[141.89.100.174]>

I just looked at the issue of default values for fields in V2. The 
kernel doc is not consistent on that, so I am not sure whether it is 
already supported or is planned to be added soon.

When discussing SetBlank on page 46, there is no mention of default 
values. On page 59, the discussion of SetBlank mentions using default 
values, but on page 98 there is no mention of defaults again. 
Confusing.

Furthermore, SetBlank should allow me to either use or ignore 
defaults, me thinks. I can think of situations requiring one or the 
other. May be we should have SetDefaults to do what is described on 
page 59 and keep SetBlank as described on pages 46 and 98. Or add a 
parameter to SetBlank telling it whether to use defaults or not.

I can't say what the situation is for creating new fields. The doc 
mentions CreateField() method when discussing CreateTable on page 35 
but I can't find it anywhere else in that doc.

Robert Brenstein
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May  6 16:14:50 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May  6 08:15:02 2005
Subject: default values
In-Reply-To: <a06110406bea1141c15ec@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <BEA1487A.301BC%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/6/05 3:50 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:

> I just looked at the issue of default values for fields in V2. The
> kernel doc is not consistent on that, so I am not sure whether it is
> already supported or is planned to be added soon.

It is supported. On both API and SQL levels.

> When discussing SetBlank on page 46, there is no mention of default
> values. On page 59, the discussion of SetBlank mentions using default
> values, but on page 98 there is no mention of defaults again.
> Confusing.

We will polish this

> Furthermore, SetBlank should allow me to either use or ignore
> defaults, me thinks. I can think of situations requiring one or the
> other. May be we should have SetDefaults to do what is described on
> page 59 and keep SetBlank as described on pages 46 and 98. Or add a
> parameter to SetBlank telling it whether to use defaults or not.
> 
> I can't say what the situation is for creating new fields. The doc
> mentions CreateField() method when discussing CreateTable on page 35
> but I can't find it anywhere else in that doc.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From rjb at robelko.com  Fri May  6 15:17:30 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri May  6 08:29:55 2005
Subject: Valentina documentation
In-Reply-To: <BEA13FE6.301AE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEA13FE6.301AE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <a06110407bea118c63019@[141.89.100.174]>

>On 5/6/05 3:26 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Robert,
>
>Yes, Valentina Kernel document is going to be splinted to few documents
>Or to have several parts:
>
>     Theory
>     API Description
>
>API description still will go by RB/Java style.
>I think this is the best style which mirror Valentina conceptions.

You should be able to express the concepts without needing a specific 
language. It may actually make things clearer for users unless you 
really want to cater to pro database developers only. Judging from 
list postings, there is a market for people who need and want to use 
database but are not database developers per se.

>I still think that API Description based on some ABSTRACTION layer also can
>be good...may be I am wrong.
>

I wonder exactly whether we need a document that presents API as 
abstraction. I am just not convinced that the abstraction is that 
helpful. The API for each environment IS different. As things are, I 
need to look up syntax in the doc for my environment and general API 
in kernel doc and translate the latter into what the former says.

Since your abstraction uses RB style, RB developers don't care except 
possibly having to look things up in two places. On the other end of 
spectrum, Revolution users suffer the most since the abstracted API 
bares little ressemblance to anything they code.

In my opinion, the abstracted API should be used only internally 
within Paradigma to guide the development and documentation efforts.

>
>  > I do realize that this would mean greater duplication of some things
>>  than now,
>
>Exactly. You should understand that it will be very hard as develop so keep
>in synchronization several big documents for different languages.

But you have to do it for the smaller documents anyway, so there is 
not so much extra effort. And you can put in charge the person 
responsible for developing the specific product.

I think that the extra effort will pay back. Lack or deficiency of 
environment-specific examples, beyond the trivial, has been a 
long-standing complaint.

There is also enough parallelism to set up a proper documentation 
management system that allows you to modularize all 
environment-specific docs.

Robert
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May  6 16:45:34 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May  6 08:45:41 2005
Subject: default values
In-Reply-To: <a06110406bea1141c15ec@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <BEA14FAE.301C6%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/6/05 3:50 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:

> I just looked at the issue of default values for fields in V2. The
> kernel doc is not consistent on that, so I am not sure whether it is
> already supported or is planned to be added soon.
> 
> When discussing SetBlank on page 46, there is no mention of default
> values. On page 59, the discussion of SetBlank mentions using default
> values, but on page 98 there is no mention of defaults again.
> Confusing.
> 
> Furthermore, SetBlank should allow me to either use or ignore
> defaults, me thinks. I can think of situations requiring one or the
> other. May be we should have SetDefaults to do what is described on
> page 59 and keep SetBlank as described on pages 46 and 98. Or add a
> parameter to SetBlank telling it whether to use defaults or not.

Well, Default Value is feature which is used only when you add new record.

If you not specify value for this field, then Default is used.

I do not see many sense work around this mechanism...


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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May  6 16:47:01 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May  6 08:47:06 2005
Subject: default values
In-Reply-To: <a06110406bea1141c15ec@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <BEA15005.301CC%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/6/05 3:50 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:

> I can't say what the situation is for creating new fields. The doc
> mentions CreateField() method when discussing CreateTable on page 35
> but I can't find it anywhere else in that doc.

Page 48 - 49

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From rjb at robelko.com  Fri May  6 16:52:44 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri May  6 10:09:47 2005
Subject: documentation (was: default values)
In-Reply-To: <BEA15005.301CC%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEA15005.301CC%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <a0611040bbea127dbbda7@[141.89.100.174]>

>On 5/6/05 3:50 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:
>
>>  I can't say what the situation is for creating new fields. The doc
>>  mentions CreateField() method when discussing CreateTable on page 35
>>  but I can't find it anywhere else in that doc.
>
>Page 48 - 49
>

Ah, a good example of how API abstraction obfuscates things, so let 
me switch the threads.

No wonder the Acrobat search function did not find anything. One has 
to either know that VTable.CreateField() is CreateStringField(), 
CreateVarCharField(), etc, to search for them specifcally or has to 
browse the doc to find "working with database structure" section and 
figure out that the methods discussed there mean VTable.CreateField() 
elsewhere.

This is probably all super obvious to you, Ruslan, and other db pros 
but let me play a new db developer further.

Now following my search for default values, I gather that they are 
hidden in the inFlags of each CreateXxxxField(), but searching the 
doc for 'inFlags' or 'EVFlag' again produces no hits outside that 
section. What is this EVFlag thing?

Luckily, searching PDF for 'default' produces a hit in section 
discussing field properties, where DefaultValue is defined as 
"asvariant". Aha! So, are flags and properties synonyms in your API? 
What is this "asvariant"? I guess it should be "as variant" (typos 
add to confusion). Neither is defined in this doc.

Another example along those lines: the description of field property 
"Type as EVFieldType" (what the heck is the latter BTW?) says to see 
also "VTable.ChangeType" (bottom of p 57). So I search for it, and... 
no hits. Then what am I to "see also"?

So, is this API abstraction defining items in terms of undefined 
terms really so helpful to each Valentina developer? Wouldn't it be 
simpler to just explain all this in plain English? It would require 
only a few paragraphs instead of numerous pages.

As I said elsewhere, I think this abstracted API should be an 
internal Paradigma doc.

Or am I having a bad day?

Robert
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May  6 21:00:01 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May  6 13:00:11 2005
Subject: documentation (was: default values)
In-Reply-To: <a0611040bbea127dbbda7@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <BEA18B51.3023D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/6/05 5:52 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:

>> On 5/6/05 3:50 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  I can't say what the situation is for creating new fields. The doc
>>>  mentions CreateField() method when discussing CreateTable on page 35
>>>  but I can't find it anywhere else in that doc.
>> 
>> Page 48 - 49
>> 
> 
> Ah, a good example of how API abstraction obfuscates things, so let
> me switch the threads.
> 
> No wonder the Acrobat search function did not find anything. One has
> to either know that VTable.CreateField() is CreateStringField(),
> CreateVarCharField(), etc, to search for them specifcally or has to
> browse the doc to find "working with database structure" section and
> figure out that the methods discussed there mean VTable.CreateField()
> elsewhere.

:-) Robert,

But if you new to product then you do not know about CreateField also.

You have try to find what you know from 1.x
And you have fail, because we have no set of methods.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From rjb at robelko.com  Sat May  7 02:21:41 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri May  6 19:24:05 2005
Subject: documentation (was: default values)
In-Reply-To: <BEA18B51.3023D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEA18B51.3023D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <a06110400bea1b59383fc@[192.168.1.100]>

>  > No wonder the Acrobat search function did not find anything. One has
>>  to either know that VTable.CreateField() is CreateStringField(),
>>  CreateVarCharField(), etc, to search for them specifcally or has to
>>  browse the doc to find "working with database structure" section and
>>  figure out that the methods discussed there mean VTable.CreateField()
>>  elsewhere.
>
>:-) Robert,
>
>But if you new to product then you do not know about CreateField also.

I was looking for it, because I read about it in section about 
creating tables. So it is quite a likely scenario for a new user as 
well. Since the doc has 100 pages, using search function seems 
logical to locate specific items.

>You have try to find what you know from 1.x
>And you have fail, because we have no set of methods.

I have never bothered to read kernel doc for 1.x except looking up a 
few specific items a couple of times. I regularly use the 
environment-specific doc only. All the essential info is repeated 
there and in a format easier for processing.

Robert
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  7 19:03:49 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May  7 11:03:53 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
Message-ID: <BEA2C195.303C0%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

I have test it, and this is what I have found

1) if I open Example_1_x/SingleTable

    then it works absolutely good.

    Only glitches I see here that menu items are in the wrong menus.


2) if I try to open other V4RB examples, which have dependency on our shared
external modules, then RB b7 on open of project show dialog:

    Unable to open external file:
    G5:Applications:REALBasic2005b7 MacOS X:

Although external itself is locates absolutely in other location.



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  7 19:06:23 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May  7 11:06:31 2005
Subject: [ALL] PLEASE INFORM ME about any showstopers in your projects
In-Reply-To: <4A7BD2F0-7E79-455C-8A4B-57F250714B3F@sailer-online.de>
Message-ID: <BEA2C22F.303C5%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/7/05 6:59 PM, "Claudius Sailer" <Claudius@sailer-online.de> wrote:

>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I want ask you again drop message to Valentina Beta list
>> about what show stopper bugs you have with 2.0.3.
>> 
>> If some issue do have workaround please not report it.
> 
> #619
> #725

Beta list, Claudius.

I think Ivan have inform you that we need something simple for 619 bug


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
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Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  7 19:15:00 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May  7 11:15:11 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
In-Reply-To: <BEA2C195.303C0%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEA2C434.303CB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/7/05 7:03 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua> wrote:

I have submit bug on this

    hrpgvdxd 

    http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=hrpgvdxd


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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sat May  7 12:58:23 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May  7 11:58:35 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
In-Reply-To: <BEA2C195.303C0%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEA2C195.303C0%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002000bea2a2965dd7@[10.0.1.5]>

When I compile my app with RB 2005 it stops on this line

escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)

with the error:

This method does not return a value.

In fact, that's the only error I get (dozens of them in my code, but still)...

Jon
From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Sat May  7 11:05:43 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Sat May  7 12:05:55 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
Message-ID: <AE91CD9C-8F71-4840-AAD9-469898525B11@goodeast.com>


On May 7, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:


> I have test it, and this is what I have found
>
> 1) if I open Example_1_x/SingleTable
>
>     then it works absolutely good.
>
>     Only glitches I see here that menu items are in the wrong menus.
>
>
> 2) if I try to open other V4RB examples, which have dependency on  
> our shared
> external modules, then RB b7 on open of project show dialog:
>
>     Unable to open external file:
>     G5:Applications:REALBasic2005b7 MacOS X:
>
> Although external itself is locates absolutely in other location.
>

It does not even compile for me if I add the "DisableRBDB" file into  
the plugins folder. See my bug report:

<http://support.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php? 
reportid=ljusponv>

This is important for those of us who want to use Valentina and do  
not have RB Pro!

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  7 20:11:04 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May  7 12:11:12 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bea2a2965dd7@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEA2D158.303EB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/7/05 7:58 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> When I compile my app with RB 2005 it stops on this line
> 
> escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)
> 
> with the error:
> 
> This method does not return a value.
> 
> In fact, that's the only error I get (dozens of them in my code, but still)...

Please try our example with EscapeString.
does it have the same behavior ?

Then we can send report to REAL

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sat May  7 13:15:52 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May  7 12:15:57 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
In-Reply-To: <BEA2D158.303EB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEA2D158.303EB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002001bea2a828ac01@[10.0.1.5]>

>On 5/7/05 7:58 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>
>>  When I compile my app with RB 2005 it stops on this line
>>
>>  escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)
>>
>>  with the error:
>>
>>  This method does not return a value.
>>
>>  In fact, that's the only error I get (dozens of them in my code, 
>>but still)...
>
>Please try our example with EscapeString.
>does it have the same behavior ?
>
>Then we can send report to REAL
>

Yes, of course. The same error occurs on this line in your example:

res = Valentina.EscapeString( efToEscape.Text, cbForRegex.value )

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  7 20:20:41 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May  7 12:20:46 2005
Subject: V4RB 2.0.3 and REALbasic2005b7 actually works
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bea2a828ac01@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEA2D399.303F5%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/7/05 8:15 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>> On 5/7/05 7:58 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  When I compile my app with RB 2005 it stops on this line
>>> 
>>>  escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)
>>> 
>>>  with the error:
>>> 
>>>  This method does not return a value.
>>> 
>>>  In fact, that's the only error I get (dozens of them in my code,
>>> but still)...
>> 
>> Please try our example with EscapeString.
>> does it have the same behavior ?
>> 
>> Then we can send report to REAL
>> 
> 
> Yes, of course. The same error occurs on this line in your example:
> 
> res = Valentina.EscapeString( efToEscape.Text, cbForRegex.value )

Declared in our code as

    EscapeString( 
        inStr as string, inforRegEx as Boolean = false ) As String )


So looks to be  correct.


Bug in b7 somehow


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Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sat May 14 09:34:02 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May 14 08:34:15 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BE70EF18.2D28C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BE70EF18.2D28C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002002beabae21dd6d@[10.0.1.5]>

Hi Ruslan,

I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2 
than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the 
stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.

My question is, when we get UTF-8 storage, with the cache 
requirements go down? Or will the cache still be populated with 
UTF-16?

Also, on a related note, I've found that in some cases having too 
little cache -> crashes (e.g. 4 MB of cache not being enough for 7000 
records). This never happened in V1.x -- performance just became 
unacceptable. Is this an issue you are aware of? Or do you want 
examples?

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 14 16:40:47 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 14 08:41:05 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <p06002002beabae21dd6d@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEABDA8F.30E21%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/14/05 4:34 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

> I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2
> than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the
> stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.

But then not a lots, but 2 times maximum
 
> My question is, when we get UTF-8 storage, with the cache
> requirements go down? Or will the cache still be populated with
> UTF-16?

Not sure yet, Jon.

It seems pages in cache will be in UTF8,
And when record will be loaded into fields, conversion will be done

 
> Also, on a related note, I've found that in some cases having too
> little cache -> crashes (e.g. 4 MB of cache not being enough for 7000
> records). This never happened in V1.x -- performance just became
> unacceptable. Is this an issue you are aware of? Or do you want
> examples?

Actually 1.x also did crash for VERY VERY small cache.

It was possible to see only if db has many tables/fields.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sat May 14 09:46:13 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May 14 08:46:18 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BEABDA8F.30E21%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEABDA8F.30E21%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002003beabb0f887ef@[10.0.1.5]>

>  > I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2
>>  than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the
>>  stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.
>
>But then not a lots, but 2 times maximum


Hi Ruslan,

Hm, yesterday I had one user with 7000 records. In V1.x this would 
require a cache of 6-8 MB. In V2 he had to go to > 15 MB to get 
satisfactory results (so I guess yes, about 2X).

>
>>  My question is, when we get UTF-8 storage, with the cache
>>  requirements go down? Or will the cache still be populated with
>>  UTF-16?
>
>Not sure yet, Jon.
>
>It seems pages in cache will be in UTF8,
>And when record will be loaded into fields, conversion will be done

Ah, that would be good, then.

>
>
>>  Also, on a related note, I've found that in some cases having too
>>  little cache -> crashes (e.g. 4 MB of cache not being enough for 7000
>>  records). This never happened in V1.x -- performance just became
>>  unacceptable. Is this an issue you are aware of? Or do you want
>>  examples?
>
>Actually 1.x also did crash for VERY VERY small cache.
>
>It was possible to see only if db has many tables/fields.
>

Yes, I know. That's why I mentioned the 4 MB cache -> cache. 4 MB is 
pretty large I think, and shouldn't cause crashes. I'll notify you 
with a db the next time I run into this...

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 14 16:50:04 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 14 08:50:09 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <p06002003beabb0f887ef@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEABDCBC.30E27%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/14/05 4:46 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>>> I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2
>>>  than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the
>>>  stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.
>> 
>> But then not a lots, but 2 times maximum
> 
> 
> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> Hm, yesterday I had one user with 7000 records. In V1.x this would
> require a cache of 6-8 MB. In V2 he had to go to > 15 MB to get
> satisfactory results (so I guess yes, about 2X).

Results you mean speed?

But may be not only cache affect that.

Longer strings means longer CPU operations.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 14 16:51:08 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 14 08:51:14 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <p06002003beabb0f887ef@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEABDCFC.30E28%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/14/05 4:46 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>>>  Also, on a related note, I've found that in some cases having too
>>>  little cache -> crashes (e.g. 4 MB of cache not being enough for 7000
>>>  records). This never happened in V1.x -- performance just became
>>>  unacceptable. Is this an issue you are aware of? Or do you want
>>>  examples?
>> 
>> Actually 1.x also did crash for VERY VERY small cache.
>> 
>> It was possible to see only if db has many tables/fields.
>> 
> 
> Yes, I know. That's why I mentioned the 4 MB cache -> cache. 4 MB is
> pretty large I think, and shouldn't cause crashes. I'll notify you
> with a db the next time I run into this...

Actually even for 1.x I have set always 10MB as recommended size.

Today now problems with RAM, Jon.
So do not save here :-))

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sat May 14 09:59:22 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May 14 08:59:30 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BEABDCBC.30E27%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEABDCBC.30E27%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002004beabb47057f9@[10.0.1.5]>

>
>  >
>>  Hm, yesterday I had one user with 7000 records. In V1.x this would
>>  require a cache of 6-8 MB. In V2 he had to go to > 15 MB to get
>>  satisfactory results (so I guess yes, about 2X).
>
>Results you mean speed?
>
>But may be not only cache affect that.
>
>Longer strings means longer CPU operations.
>

Yes, speed. Not a few ticks -- I mean the spinning beachball! Over a 
minute to do a search in some cases. Increasing cache to 25 MB fixed 
it (20 might have worked, too, but 15 was not enough).

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 14 17:07:47 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 14 09:07:55 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <p06002004beabb47057f9@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/14/05 4:59 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>>>  Hm, yesterday I had one user with 7000 records. In V1.x this would
>>>  require a cache of 6-8 MB. In V2 he had to go to > 15 MB to get
>>>  satisfactory results (so I guess yes, about 2X).
>> 
>> Results you mean speed?
>> 
>> But may be not only cache affect that.
>> 
>> Longer strings means longer CPU operations.
>> 
> 
> Yes, speed. Not a few ticks -- I mean the spinning beachball! Over a
> minute to do a search in some cases. Increasing cache to 25 MB fixed
> it (20 might have worked, too, but 15 was not enough).

Interesting, 

Way to reproduce ?

Later I'd like profile this db + project

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sat May 14 10:30:50 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May 14 09:30:58 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002006beabbbfd1d43@[10.0.1.5]>

>Yes, speed. Not a few ticks -- I mean the spinning beachball! Over a
>  > minute to do a search in some cases. Increasing cache to 25 MB fixed
>>  it (20 might have worked, too, but 15 was not enough).
>
>Interesting,
>
>Way to reproduce ?
>
>Later I'd like profile this db + project
>

I didn't keep that db, but I think I have others. I'll see what I 
have and let you know.

Jon
From jda at his.com  Sat May 14 17:33:23 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sat May 14 16:33:35 2005
Subject: RB 2005 b8 & V2
In-Reply-To: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002006beac1ea99c05@[10.0.1.5]>

Hi Ruslan, just to let you know, I still have this error when I try 
to compile using the latest RB beta:

     escapedS = valentina.EscapeString(s, false)

results in:

     This method doesn't return a value.

Jon
From jda at his.com  Sun May 15 14:46:26 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sun May 15 13:46:38 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002000bead48083919@[10.0.1.5]>

>  Results you mean speed?
>  >>
>>>  But may be not only cache affect that.
>>>
>>>  Longer strings means longer CPU operations.
>  >>
>>
>>  Yes, speed. Not a few ticks -- I mean the spinning beachball! Over a
>>  minute to do a search in some cases. Increasing cache to 25 MB fixed
>>  it (20 might have worked, too, but 15 was not enough).
>
>Interesting,
>
>Way to reproduce ?
>
>Later I'd like profile this db + project
>

Hi Ruslan,

I've done some more experimenting with large databases, and the 
results are not good.

I have a user with a 34,000 record database. It works acceptably in 
Valentina 1.x. But in 2.x it is too slow to really use.

He sent me the db, and here's what I found...

The with V2 is 187 MB!

With a 100 MB cache it takes several minutes to open.

When I tried to export and then import the records (again, 100 MB 
cache) it got to 10870 imported and it stopped with the spinning 
beachball (I had to turn off the power and reboot to gain control of 
the computer).

Searches are pretty fast, but these other performance issues are a 
real killer. Since Valentina 1.x performed much better, I know it is 
possible to fix this. I have sent you a large database (only about 
11,000 records) that displays these problems as well, just not as 
extreme. I hope you have the time soon to optimize Valentina 2.x to 
regain the performance it had in 1.x.

Thanks,

Jon
From vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr  Mon May 16 07:17:30 2005
From: vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr (Olivier Vidal)
Date: Mon May 16 00:18:57 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bead48083919@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bead48083919@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <96a5b9e5fec84f43dd5522935cf3b9f1@yahoo.fr>

Hi Jon and list,

> I have a user with a 34,000 record database. It works acceptably in 
> Valentina 1.x. But in 2.x it is too slow to really use.
>
> He sent me the db, and here's what I found...
>
> The with V2 is 187 MB!
>

and with V1 ?


> With a 100 MB cache it takes several minutes to open.
>
VERY BAD NEWS...

Moreover, 100 Mb of cache it is really a lot for a db of 187 Mb.
There is a big problem.
Especially that 34000 records, it is not a lot.

> When I tried to export and then import the records (again, 100 MB 
> cache) it got to 10870 imported and it stopped with the spinning 
> beachball (I had to turn off the power and reboot to gain control of 
> the computer).
>

Have you unique fields?
If yes, try in removing the capture of exceptions.
I have the same problem during my imports.
But we saw that it came from Realbasic and from the capture of 
exceptions.

> Searches are pretty fast, but these other performance issues are a 
> real killer. Since Valentina 1.x performed much better, I know it is 
> possible to fix this. I have sent you a large database (only about 
> 11,000 records) that displays these problems as well, just not as 
> extreme. I hope you have the time soon to optimize Valentina 2.x to 
> regain the performance it had in 1.x.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> Valentina-beta mailing list
> Valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net
> http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-beta
>

From vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr  Mon May 16 07:23:56 2005
From: vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr (Olivier Vidal)
Date: Mon May 16 00:25:10 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BEABDA8F.30E21%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEABDA8F.30E21%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <c4b07f7a1dd7085d14f4ffe021c94aa5@yahoo.fr>

Hi Ruslan,


>> I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2
>> than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the
>> stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.
>
> But then not a lots, but 2 times maximum

Ruslan, 2 times IS A LOT !!

2 times, it means that in a lot of case we shall have not enough cache.
The application will thus be slowed down.

Olivier

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May 16 11:25:09 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon May 16 03:25:29 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bead48083919@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEAE3395.310D1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/15/05 9:46 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,
 
> I've done some more experimenting with large databases, and the
> results are not good.
> 
> I have a user with a 34,000 record database. It works acceptably in
> Valentina 1.x. But in 2.x it is too slow to really use.
> 
> He sent me the db, and here's what I found...
> 
> The with V2 is 187 MB!

What was size in 1.x ?
 
> With a 100 MB cache it takes several minutes to open.

Open problem we will fix this week I think.
 
> When I tried to export and then import the records (again, 100 MB
> cache) it got to 10870 imported and it stopped with the spinning
> beachball (I had to turn off the power and reboot to gain control of
> the computer).
> 
> Searches are pretty fast, but these other performance issues are a
> real killer. Since Valentina 1.x performed much better, I know it is
> possible to fix this. I have sent you a large database (only about
> 11,000 records) that displays these problems as well, just not as
> extreme. I hope you have the time soon to optimize Valentina 2.x to
> regain the performance it had in 1.x.

Yes it is time to optimize everyhting

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May 16 11:25:54 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon May 16 03:26:08 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <c4b07f7a1dd7085d14f4ffe021c94aa5@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BEAE33C2.310D2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/16/05 8:23 AM, "Olivier Vidal" <vidal_olivier@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>>> I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2
>>> than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the
>>> stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.
>> 
>> But then not a lots, but 2 times maximum
> 
> Ruslan, 2 times IS A LOT !!

IMHO 100 times is a lot :-)
 
> 2 times, it means that in a lot of case we shall have not enough cache.
> The application will thus be slowed down.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From Claudius at sailer-online.de  Mon May 16 10:35:50 2005
From: Claudius at sailer-online.de (Claudius Sailer)
Date: Mon May 16 03:36:01 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <BEAE3395.310D1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEAE3395.310D1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <16DDF713-7E1F-44AE-BEB2-0255E48425E4@sailer-online.de>


Am 16. Mai 2005 um 10:25 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:

>> When I tried to export and then import the records (again, 100 MB
>> cache) it got to 10870 imported and it stopped with the spinning
>> beachball (I had to turn off the power and reboot to gain control of
>> the computer).
>>
>> Searches are pretty fast, but these other performance issues are a
>> real killer. Since Valentina 1.x performed much better, I know it is
>> possible to fix this. I have sent you a large database (only about
>> 11,000 records) that displays these problems as well, just not as
>> extreme. I hope you have the time soon to optimize Valentina 2.x to
>> regain the performance it had in 1.x.
>>
>
> Yes it is time to optimize everyhting

Great. :-))

V4RB2 is a really got solution.


Claudius

-- 
G4/733 QS / MacOS X 10.4de / RB 5.5.3de/ Valentina 1.10.0 & 2.0.3
Homepage    http://www.ClaSai.de
iChat        ryhoruk
RealBasic ListBoxes: [ I feel the need...the need for speed!!! ]

From jda at his.com  Mon May 16 08:04:52 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 16 07:05:07 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <96a5b9e5fec84f43dd5522935cf3b9f1@yahoo.fr>
References: <BEABE0E3.30E30%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bead48083919@[10.0.1.5]>
	<96a5b9e5fec84f43dd5522935cf3b9f1@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06002003beae3c71ff5d@[10.0.1.5]>

>and with V1 ?

I don't know -- and I'm not going to take the several hours to import 
the references into an old db to find out.

>
>>When I tried to export and then import the records (again, 100 MB 
>>cache) it got to 10870 imported and it stopped with the spinning 
>>beachball (I had to turn off the power and reboot to gain control 
>>of the computer).
>>
>
>Have you unique fields?

One.

>If yes, try in removing the capture of exceptions.
>I have the same problem during my imports.
>But we saw that it came from Realbasic and from the capture of exceptions.

That's not the problem here. The field was unique in the old V1 db he 
upgraded from, so it will not cause any exceptions when imported into 
the V2-based db (I manage the unique field myself).

Jon
Sonny Software
From jda at his.com  Mon May 16 08:06:19 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 16 07:06:25 2005
Subject: Cache
In-Reply-To: <c4b07f7a1dd7085d14f4ffe021c94aa5@yahoo.fr>
References: <BEABDA8F.30E21%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<c4b07f7a1dd7085d14f4ffe021c94aa5@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06002004beae3cf11d53@[10.0.1.5]>

>Hi Ruslan,
>
>>>I have found that the database cache needs to be a *lot* larger in V2
>>>than V1 for the same amount of data. I assume that's because the
>>>stored information for me (mostly text) is UTF-16.
>>
>>But then not a lots, but 2 times maximum
>
>Ruslan, 2 times IS A LOT !!
>
>2 times, it means that in a lot of case we shall have not enough cache.
>The application will thus be slowed down.
>

I agree with that. That's one reason I wrote to the list -- people 
who have used my app for years with 4-8 MB of cache now write to me 
with problems (they don't think of the cache, of course). So I'm 
spending a fair amount of time dealing with this for tech support...

Jon
Sonny Software
From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Mon May 16 09:19:18 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Mon May 16 08:19:34 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000770]: New databases are always read-only
In-Reply-To: <b103775c9af79ef391863117b54cb097@paradigma.ukrcom.kheron.ua>
References: <b103775c9af79ef391863117b54cb097@paradigma.ukrcom.kheron.ua>
Message-ID: <4CE08764-F897-41D9-98D3-444BD8F962F9@vermontsoftworks.com>

Is there any estimate available as to when this fix will be  
available?  Mantis says it was fixed in 2.0.3, but the fix was  
applied *after* 2.0.3 build 2 was released....

Thanks!

-- Erik


On 2005-05-10, at 07:49, vbt@paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua wrote:

>
> The following issue has been RESOLVED.
> ======================================================================
> <http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt/view.php?id=770>
> ======================================================================
> Reported By:                Erik Mueller-Harder
> Assigned To:                Ivan Smahin
> ======================================================================
> Project:                    V4RB
> Issue ID:                   770
> Category:                   Class-way
> Reproducibility:            always
> Severity:                   major
> Priority:                   normal
> Status:                     resolved
> Resolution:                 fixed
> Fixed in Version:           2.0.3
> ======================================================================
> Date Submitted:             05-10-2005 00:09 EEST
> Last Modified:              05-10-2005 14:49 EEST
> ======================================================================
> Summary:                    New databases are always read-only
> Description:
> Whenever you create a new database via the class way, it's read- 
> only --
> even on writable media (like a regular hard drive), regardless of
> permissions settings.
> ======================================================================
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Ivan Smahin - 05-10-05 14:49
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fixed. It was a glitch in V4RB plugin.
>
> Issue History
> Date Modified  Username       Field                    Change
> ======================================================================
> 05-10-05 00:09 Erik Mueller-Harder                     New Issue
> 05-10-05 14:49 Ivan Smahin    Status                   new => assigned
> 05-10-05 14:49 Ivan Smahin    Assigned To               => Ivan Smahin
> 05-10-05 14:49 Ivan Smahin    Status                   assigned =>  
> resolved
> 05-10-05 14:49 Ivan Smahin    Fixed in Version          => 2.0.3
> 05-10-05 14:49 Ivan Smahin    Resolution               open => fixed
> 05-10-05 14:49 Ivan Smahin    Note Added: 0000537
> ======================================================================


From IvanSmahin at public.kherson.ua  Mon May 16 16:38:50 2005
From: IvanSmahin at public.kherson.ua (Ivan Smahin)
Date: Mon May 16 08:38:59 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000770]: New databases are always read-only
In-Reply-To: <4CE08764-F897-41D9-98D3-444BD8F962F9@vermontsoftworks.com>
References: <b103775c9af79ef391863117b54cb097@paradigma.ukrcom.kheron.ua>
	<4CE08764-F897-41D9-98D3-444BD8F962F9@vermontsoftworks.com>
Message-ID: <1481025131.20050516163850@public.kherson.ua>

Hello Erik,

Monday, May 16, 2005, 4:19:18 PM, you wrote:

EMH> Is there any estimate available as to when this fix will be  
EMH> available?  Mantis says it was fixed in 2.0.3, but the fix was  
EMH> applied *after* 2.0.3 build 2 was released....

EMH> Thanks!

EMH> -- Erik


Sorry - my fault.
Actually it is fixed in 2.0.4 version.

-- 
Best regards,
 Ivan                            mailto:IvanSmahin@public.kherson.ua

From jda at his.com  Mon May 16 10:12:05 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 16 09:12:22 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000770]: New databases are always read-only
In-Reply-To: <1481025131.20050516163850@public.kherson.ua>
References: <b103775c9af79ef391863117b54cb097@paradigma.ukrcom.kheron.ua>
	<4CE08764-F897-41D9-98D3-444BD8F962F9@vermontsoftworks.com>
	<1481025131.20050516163850@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002003beae5a78be92@[137.187.213.114]>

>Hello Erik,
>
>
>Sorry - my fault.
>Actually it is fixed in 2.0.4 version.
>

Hi Ivan,

I'll rephrase Erik's question: when will the fixes instituted in 
2.0.4 be available (maybe in beta)?

Thanks,

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May 16 17:18:43 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon May 16 09:18:52 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000770]: New databases are always read-only
In-Reply-To: <p06002003beae5a78be92@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEAE8673.3114F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/16/05 5:12 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>> Hello Erik,
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry - my fault.
>> Actually it is fixed in 2.0.4 version.
>> 
> 
> Hi Ivan,
> 
> I'll rephrase Erik's question: when will the fixes instituted in
> 2.0.4 be available (maybe in beta)?

Soon guys.

Few days I think. And we will start 2.0.4 builds fc

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Thu May 19 08:53:06 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 19 07:53:29 2005
Subject: RB2005b9 no go
In-Reply-To: <BEAE8673.3114F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEAE8673.3114F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002000beb23c2e0ecf@[137.187.213.114]>

Hi Ruslan,

RB is almost ready for their next release and I still can't compile 
my project because

      escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)

returns an error (this method does not return a value).

Have you bugged this with RS? I checked their bugbase and didn't see 
anything. I can do it, but since I don't know the issues involved 
(why an error is generated here) I think it should be you. You can 
reproduce this with the escapestring example distributed with 
Valentina.

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 19 16:41:41 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 19 08:41:52 2005
Subject: RB2005b9 no go
In-Reply-To: <p06002000beb23c2e0ecf@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/19/05 3:53 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> RB is almost ready for their next release and I still can't compile
> my project because
> 
>       escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)
> 
> returns an error (this method does not return a value).
> 
> Have you bugged this with RS? I checked their bugbase and didn't see
> anything. I can do it, but since I don't know the issues involved
> (why an error is generated here) I think it should be you. You can
> reproduce this with the escapestring example distributed with
> Valentina.

Yes please add them bug and we will add votes

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Thu May 19 10:27:30 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 19 09:27:46 2005
Subject: RB2005b9 no go
In-Reply-To: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002002beb252a85333@[137.187.213.114]>

>  > RB is almost ready for their next release and I still can't compile
>>  my project because
>>
>  >       escapedS = Valentina.EscapeString(s, true)
>>
>>  returns an error (this method does not return a value).
>>
>>  Have you bugged this with RS? I checked their bugbase and didn't see
>>  anything. I can do it, but since I don't know the issues involved
>>  (why an error is generated here) I think it should be you. You can
>>  reproduce this with the escapestring example distributed with
>>  Valentina.
>
>Yes please add them bug and we will add votes
>

Bug link

http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=fufejsae

Jon
Sonny Software
From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Thu May 19 08:59:53 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Thu May 19 10:00:11 2005
Subject: RB2005b9 no go
In-Reply-To: <p06002002beb252a85333@[137.187.213.114]>
References: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002002beb252a85333@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <730b65a7304868e24fb2f9a81dd0a037@goodeast.com>

Hi Jon,


On May 19, 2005, at 8:27 AM, jda wrote:
> Bug link
>
> http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=fufejsae

I voted for this.

It even worse than that. If you only have RB Standard and need to use 
the DisableRBDB file in the plugins folder, it won't compile even a 
blank project!

Please vote for this bug too:
<http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=ljusponv>


Best regards,
Frank Schima

From jda at his.com  Thu May 19 11:05:35 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 19 10:05:44 2005
Subject: RB2005b9 no go
In-Reply-To: <730b65a7304868e24fb2f9a81dd0a037@goodeast.com>
References: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002002beb252a85333@[137.187.213.114]>
	<730b65a7304868e24fb2f9a81dd0a037@goodeast.com>
Message-ID: <p06002005beb25bb67227@[137.187.213.114]>

>Please vote for this bug too:
><http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=ljusponv>
>

Done.

Jon
From jda at his.com  Thu May 19 14:41:34 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 19 13:41:47 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002011beb28e15c85d@[137.187.213.114]>

Hi Ruslan,

You mentioned a new build was coming soon...

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 19 23:57:29 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 19 15:57:37 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <p06002011beb28e15c85d@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/19/05 9:41 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> You mentioned a new build was coming soon...

Hi Jon,
Hi All,

Status is next:

* I was need spend last week debugging 1.x Vserver and engine.
Ken Ray and Robert have install Vserver into company with 100 users,
And how found some problems in speed and a couple of crashes.

During this time I have fix 2 crash-bugs in the 1.11
And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
    believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.

I hope that today I have made the last major fix for them to be happy on
that project. So tomorrow we will start with Igor polish Vserver 2.0 and
clients on bugs reported by Peter in the V4MD area.


* for last few days Igor have add 2 new mechanisms into client/server.
    a) now connection have 2 parameters as
            TransferMode
            CompressFiles   -- Igor say not implemented yet

    b) Now such functions as
        Import/export, Dump/Load, ToFile/FromFile,
        can work with files located as on side of server,
        so on side of client.
    

* Igor today have start work on caching of FAT of db files.
    this must speedup open of 2.0 files and work overall.


* Ivan works on Valentina 2 for Revolution.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Thu May 19 17:04:04 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 19 16:04:17 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p0600201cbeb2af2d89d4@[137.187.213.114]>

>On 5/19/05 9:41 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Ruslan,
>>
>>  You mentioned a new build was coming soon...
>
>Hi Jon,
>Hi All,
>
>Status is next:
>
>* I was need spend last week debugging 1.x Vserver and engine.
>Ken Ray and Robert have install Vserver into company with 100 users,
>And how found some problems in speed and a couple of crashes.

Hi Ruslan,

I thought things seemed a bit slow on the V2 side. There are several 
bugs that are fixed in 2.0.4 that affect my app (things that broke in 
2.0.3, like convert_1_2). Can 2.0.4 be released as it is now as a 
bug-fix update?

Jon


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 20 00:27:51 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 19 16:27:58 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <p0600201cbeb2af2d89d4@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEB2DF87.31894%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/20/05 12:04 AM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> I thought things seemed a bit slow on the V2 side. There are several
> bugs that are fixed in 2.0.4 that affect my app (things that broke in
> 2.0.3, like convert_1_2). Can 2.0.4 be released as it is now as a
> bug-fix update?

We will try tomorrow make some build,
I think it will be 2.0.4 fc1

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu May 19 15:39:57 2005
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu May 19 16:40:08 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <E79DA2E9-3DB7-4AC5-9FF4-32736F7F760B@gmail.com>

Hi Ruslan,

So is there a new version of the 1.x VServer available for download?   
Is it the a67 release?


On May 19, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 5/19/05 9:41 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jon,
> Hi All,
>
> Status is next:
>
> * I was need spend last week debugging 1.x Vserver and engine.
> Ken Ray and Robert have install Vserver into company with 100 users,
> And how found some problems in speed and a couple of crashes.
>
> During this time I have fix 2 crash-bugs in the 1.11
> And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
>     believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------


From snw at paradise.net.nz  Fri May 20 09:55:03 2005
From: snw at paradise.net.nz (Sean Wilson)
Date: Thu May 19 16:55:17 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <p06002011beb28e15c85d@[137.187.213.114]>
	<BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050520094636.0491bdb0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>


>During this time I have fix 2 crash-bugs in the 1.11
>And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
>     believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.

Just to clarify - does this mean there is a new 1.x version of all products 
(for example 1.12) slated for release soon? 


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 20 01:08:50 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 19 17:08:57 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <E79DA2E9-3DB7-4AC5-9FF4-32736F7F760B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEB2E922.318B2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/20/05 12:39 AM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> So is there a new version of the 1.x VServer available for download?
> Is it the a67 release?

Yes it will be a 67

NO, not available yet for download

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 20 01:09:27 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 19 17:09:31 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050520094636.0491bdb0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <BEB2E947.318B3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/20/05 12:55 AM, "Sean Wilson" <snw@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>> During this time I have fix 2 crash-bugs in the 1.11
>> And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
>>     believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.
> 
> Just to clarify - does this mean there is a new 1.x version of all products
> (for example 1.12) slated for release soon?

I think it will be good idea to make 1.12 build for all product line.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Thu May 19 19:51:41 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Thu May 19 18:52:02 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2DF87.31894%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB2DF87.31894%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <ED594ACC-C877-4152-B177-5D334A85B054@vermontsoftworks.com>

On 2005-05-19, at 17:27, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> We will try tomorrow make some build,
> I think it will be 2.0.4 fc1

That would be *very* helpful.  Thanks, Ruslan!

-- Erik


From snw at paradise.net.nz  Fri May 20 14:36:57 2005
From: snw at paradise.net.nz (Sean Wilson)
Date: Thu May 19 21:37:57 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <p06002011beb28e15c85d@[137.187.213.114]>
	<BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050520143519.042e0520@pop3.paradise.net.nz>


>And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
>     believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.

Ruslan, can you give us any idea of the circumstances under which we might 
see a speedup? What were the tasks you tested against?

Thanks,
-Sean. 


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 20 09:09:11 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 20 01:09:19 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050520143519.042e0520@pop3.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <BEB359B7.3192F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/20/05 5:36 AM, "Sean Wilson" <snw@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>> And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
>>     believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.
> 
> Ruslan, can you give us any idea of the circumstances under which we might
> see a speedup? What were the tasks you tested against?

I think this speedup will see people that have big dbs.
We have test on db in 500MB.

* The bigger db, the bigger index files.

1) So there was one wrong-idea which have did linear check.
Now it is disabled. So indexes do Find() several times faster.
In test I have see 8 times speedup. But if db will be 1 Gb, I think speedup
will be even more.

2) and in other place I have improve algorithm to also avoid linear
iteration, this have add yet 30% speedup.

So Indexes now in general 10 times faster.

I think small dbs also can see this improvement if you do a lots of queries.

Obviously that this speedup e.g. Joins...

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr  Fri May 20 08:30:47 2005
From: vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr (Olivier Vidal)
Date: Fri May 20 01:32:16 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB359B7.3192F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB359B7.3192F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <7710b617c23a84e0a42b50bd0bfc68f7@yahoo.fr>


Le 20 mai 05, ? 08:09, Ruslan Zasukhin a ?crit :

> So indexes do Find() several times faster

very good for valentina 2 !

olivier

From vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr  Fri May 20 08:35:19 2005
From: vidal_olivier at yahoo.fr (Olivier Vidal)
Date: Fri May 20 01:36:36 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000366]: linkExist(recID, tbA, tbB) function
In-Reply-To: <c55bf0577e2c6aeaed52d2e7a081228a@paradigma.ukrcom.kheron.ua>
References: <c55bf0577e2c6aeaed52d2e7a081228a@paradigma.ukrcom.kheron.ua>
Message-ID: <1f2709529859713cfdb0c4213e712eca@yahoo.fr>

perfect !

thank you

olivier


Le 12 mai 05, ? 11:30, vbt@paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua a ?crit :

>
> Le bug suivant a ?t? r?solu.
> ======================================================================
> <http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt/view.php?id=366>
> ======================================================================
> Rapporteur:                 olivier
> Responsable:                Ivan Smahin
> ======================================================================
> Projet:                     V4RB
> Bug ID:                     366
> Cat?gorie:                  Feature Request
> Reproductibilit?:           toujours
> S?v?rit?:                   fonctionnalit?
> Priorit?:                   normale
> Etat:                       r?solu
> R?solution:                 r?solu
> R?solu dans la version:     2.0.4
> ======================================================================
> Date de soumission:         02-02-2005 13:52 EET
> Derni?re modification:      05-12-2005 12:30 EEST
> ======================================================================
> R?sum?:                     linkExist(recID, tbA, tbB) function
> Description:
> It would maybe be interesting to have for the binary links an 
> equivalent
> function of vfield.valueExist ().
> It would be useful to know if a binary link already exists for a 
> record:
>
> E.g.
>
> Boolean=link1.linkExist (recId, tbA, tbB)
>
> For example, for tables M:M. Before binary linking two records of two
> tables, it is sometimes necessary to know if there is already no link
> between these two records.
> ======================================================================
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Ivan Smahin - 05-12-05 12:30
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fixed.
> LinkExist method takes two recIDs - first one from the left table, the
> second one from the right table. Returns true if records are linked and
> false otherwise.
>
> Historique du bug
> Date modifi?e  Utilisateur    Champ                    Changer
> ======================================================================
> 02-02-05 13:52 olivier        Nouveau bug
> 02-02-05 16:43 Ruslan ZasukhinEtat                     nouveau => 
> affect?
> 02-02-05 16:43 Ruslan ZasukhinAssign? ?                 => Ivan Smahin
> 03-28-05 01:43 Ruslan ZasukhinS?v?rit?                 mineur => 
> fonctionnalit?
> 03-28-05 01:43 Ruslan ZasukhinDescription mise ? jour
> 05-12-05 12:30 Ivan Smahin    Etat                     affect? => 
> r?solu
> 05-12-05 12:30 Ivan Smahin    R?solu dans la version    => 2.0.4
> 05-12-05 12:30 Ivan Smahin    R?solution               ouvert => r?solu
> 05-12-05 12:30 Ivan Smahin    Note ajout?e: 0000549
> ======================================================================
>

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 20 10:16:15 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 20 02:16:24 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <7710b617c23a84e0a42b50bd0bfc68f7@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BEB3696F.3194D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/20/05 9:30 AM, "Olivier Vidal" <vidal_olivier@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> 
> Le 20 mai 05, ? 08:09, Ruslan Zasukhin a ?crit :
> 
>> So indexes do Find() several times faster
> 
> very good for valentina 2 !

:-) that was about 1.x

In 2.0 we did not have that bottleneck 1)

Second optimization will be used in 2.0 also.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 21 10:19:02 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 21 02:19:13 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000366]: linkExist(recID, tbA, tbB) function
In-Reply-To: <1f2709529859713cfdb0c4213e712eca@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BEB4BB96.31B23%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/20/05 9:35 AM, "Olivier Vidal" <vidal_olivier@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> perfect !
> 
> thank you
> 
> olivier
> 
> 
> Le 12 mai 05, ? 11:30, vbt@paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua a ?crit :
> 
>> 
>> Le bug suivant a ?t? r?solu.
>> ======================================================================
>> <http://paradigma.ukrcom.kherson.ua/bt/view.php?id=366>
>> ======================================================================
>> Rapporteur:                 olivier
>> Responsable:                Ivan Smahin
>> ======================================================================
>> Projet:                     V4RB
>> Bug ID:                     366
>> Cat?gorie:                  Feature Request
>> Reproductibilit?:           toujours
>> S?v?rit?:                   fonctionnalit?
>> Priorit?:                   normale
>> Etat:                       r?solu
>> R?solution:                 r?solu
>> R?solu dans la version:     2.0.4
>> ======================================================================
>> Date de soumission:         02-02-2005 13:52 EET
>> Derni?re modification:      05-12-2005 12:30 EEST
>> ======================================================================
>> R?sum?:                     linkExist(recID, tbA, tbB) function

Note, its actual name is

    IsLinked
    

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 21 14:34:38 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 21 06:35:02 2005
Subject: We need assistance on RB2005 + V4RB2 // b10 is better
In-Reply-To: <BEB3DB0D.E5482%dave@realsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BEB4F77E.31B40%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/21/05 2:21 AM, "David Grogono" <dave@realsoftware.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I have download b10. This is what I see.

1) if I compile into plugin folder debug version of plugin,
    i.e. I get 2 files V4RB and V4R.xSYM

Then during compilation REALBasic b10 again show dialog about function
conflict but complain on .xSYM fie ?!?!?

      File:       V4RB.xSYM
 
This sounds like REALbaic try load EACH file in plugins folder as pluign.
So please check this point. Try build on your side DEBUG version of any
plugin. May be enough drop into plugins folder any non-plugin file.


2) WHEN I have compile RELEASE of plugin, then WOW. I was able run few
examples and they work.

    Jon, please close your report on REAL site about EscapeString.
    I have found problem in our code.

So I have good words about RB 2005 that it have found few errors that RB
5.5. Did not see. 

In the same time I see strange problems with how RB2005 works with LOCKED
files. It seems if I open LOCKED project and do later SAVE then RB make file
READWRITE but still complain that file is locked.


>> YES, it seems exists 2-3 different problems:
>> 
>> 1) when I try to RUN exmaple Common/Init_ShutDown I get strange dialog
>> during compilation:
>> 
>>   An error has occurred while compiling this project
>> 
>>   Message: This item conflict with another item of the same name.
>>   File:       Frame
>>   Component:  EmailAttachment
>>   Item:       SaveToFile
>> 
>> V4RB do have functions in class VBLOB  ToFile() and FromFile().
>> I did think that could conflict...although this already bug in rb,
>> Because our functions are inside of class.
>> But I have comment them and still get this error.
> 
> This sounds like you've placed the 2005b9 IDE next to the 2005b8 plugin
> folder.  Make sure the plugins folder for 2005b9 is empty except for your
> plugin.
> 
>> 2) Our examples use external items of projects.
>>   Before I have see error: about cannot access external
>> 
>>   Now I cannot see this because above problem always in front
>> 
>> 
>> REAL team, please schedule 30-60 minutes to at least reproduce this problems
>> and give us info about their fix.
>> 
>> Reproduce is VERYS SIMPLE:
>> - download and install V4RB 2.0.3
>> - open example V4RB_2/Examples/Common/Init_ShutDown
>> - try to RUN it.
> 
> If you have something you want us to look at please submit a bug report and
> attach any files we will need to reproduce the problem.  In your case this
> would include both the plugin and the project file.
>  
>> In case you will resolve problem and run THIS example,
>> Please try to open few other examples and run them also.
>> 
>> Just try to get success with compile.
>> 
>> And note, that each example works fine with RB 5.5.4
> 
> We have just announced 2005b10.  Please download this latest version and
> test against that.  If you are still having problems then please file bug
> reports so we can follow up.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Sat May 21 08:58:27 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Sat May 21 09:58:43 2005
Subject: REALbasic 2005b10 and V4RB 2.0.3 Woes
Message-ID: <3c9ac8009cc41a0ea3496101f89457f9@goodeast.com>

Hi All,


I still cannot compile even a blank project with Valentina and 
REALbasic 2005b10! The problem occurs when adding a blank file called 
"DisableRBDB" into the plugins folder along with the V4RB 2.0.3 plugin. 
This file is needed in order to use V4RB with RB 2005 Standard Edition. 
I will not be upgrading my RB Standard license to 2005 until this is 
fixed.

The error message is slightly different than the old one, so I created 
a new bug report.

All Valentina users should be concerned about this issue, so please 
sign on!

<http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=ppmjcyjn>

For reference, here is the old bug report about it:

<http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=ljusponv>


Best regards,
Frank Schima

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun May 22 20:17:43 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May 22 12:18:01 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
Message-ID: <BEB69967.31CA3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

Please note, that future letters about betas and final candidates
will go to Valentina beta list. If you want participate in testing and
discussion
Please subscribe to beta list from our SUPPORT page.



In this build pay attention to a new major feature Queries Pool.

* Now Valentina have pool of queries (for SELECTs only for now).
* This means that if you give to Valentina the same query then Valentina
will not spend time to parse it and build execution plan, It will take
existed one.
* Main advantage comes if you use SQL query with bind parameters.
This trick can speed up your project in many times.



kernel - 2.0.4
==============
- 0000800: [SQL] [NEW] Pool of queries. (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000796: [Cursors] If Cursor on join is destroyed AFTER db is closed and
destoyed then crash. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
- 0000788: [Feature Request] GETDATE() and GETTIME() SQL-functions. (Ivan
Smahin)
- 0000787: [API] Valentina.GetDatabaseVersion is broken (Ruslan Zasukhin)
- 0000785: [Methods (calculated fields)] substr(curdate(), 1, 4) getting
crash. (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000783: [SQL] DATEFUNCTIONS returns wrong results (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000775: [Error codes/classes] Errors messages with missed params. (Ivan
Smahin)
- 0000774: [Feature Request] IDENTITY (autoincrement) fields. (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000772: [SQL Parser] AUTOINCREMENT (IDENTITY) supporting. (Serge)



V4RB - 2.0.4
============
- 0000801: [Other] Fixed typo in Valentina.EscapeString() which cause RB2005
problems. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
- 0000366: [Feature Request] VLink.IsLinked(recID, tbA, tbB) function (Ivan
Smahin)


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun May 22 20:19:03 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May 22 12:19:14 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEB69967.31CA3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEB699B7.31CA5%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/22/05 8:17 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua> wrote:

URL for download is
    
    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc1_mac.dmg
    


> Hi All,
> 
> Please note, that future letters about betas and final candidates
> will go to Valentina beta list. If you want participate in testing and
> discussion
> Please subscribe to beta list from our SUPPORT page.
> 
> 
> 
> In this build pay attention to a new major feature Queries Pool.
> 
> * Now Valentina have pool of queries (for SELECTs only for now).
> * This means that if you give to Valentina the same query then Valentina
> will not spend time to parse it and build execution plan, It will take
> existed one.
> * Main advantage comes if you use SQL query with bind parameters.
> This trick can speed up your project in many times.
> 
> 
> 
> kernel - 2.0.4
> ==============
> - 0000800: [SQL] [NEW] Pool of queries. (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000796: [Cursors] If Cursor on join is destroyed AFTER db is closed and
> destoyed then crash. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
> - 0000788: [Feature Request] GETDATE() and GETTIME() SQL-functions. (Ivan
> Smahin)
> - 0000787: [API] Valentina.GetDatabaseVersion is broken (Ruslan Zasukhin)
> - 0000785: [Methods (calculated fields)] substr(curdate(), 1, 4) getting
> crash. (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000783: [SQL] DATEFUNCTIONS returns wrong results (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000775: [Error codes/classes] Errors messages with missed params. (Ivan
> Smahin)
> - 0000774: [Feature Request] IDENTITY (autoincrement) fields. (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000772: [SQL Parser] AUTOINCREMENT (IDENTITY) supporting. (Serge)
> 
> 
> 
> V4RB - 2.0.4
> ============
> - 0000801: [Other] Fixed typo in Valentina.EscapeString() which cause RB2005
> problems. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
> - 0000366: [Feature Request] VLink.IsLinked(recID, tbA, tbB) function (Ivan
> Smahin)
> 

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From Claudius at sailer-online.de  Sun May 22 19:23:07 2005
From: Claudius at sailer-online.de (Claudius Sailer)
Date: Sun May 22 12:23:27 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEB69967.31CA3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB69967.31CA3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BC728D62-4034-4321-84A3-4FCA8084D8C3@sailer-online.de>


Am 22. Mai 2005 um 19:17 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:

> Hi All,
>
> Please note, that future letters about betas and final candidates
> will go to Valentina beta list. If you want participate in testing  
> and discussion
> Please subscribe to beta list from our SUPPORT page.
>
>
>
> In this build pay attention to a new major feature Queries Pool.
>
> * Now Valentina have pool of queries (for SELECTs only for now).
> * This means that if you give to Valentina the same query then  
> Valentina
> will not spend time to parse it and build execution plan, It will  
> take existed one.
> * Main advantage comes if you use SQL query with bind parameters.
> This trick can speed up your project in many times.

really good. I miss the link for download...


Claudius

-- 
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From Claudius at sailer-online.de  Sun May 22 19:31:45 2005
From: Claudius at sailer-online.de (Claudius Sailer)
Date: Sun May 22 12:31:52 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEB699B7.31CA5%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB699B7.31CA5%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <C8CB9272-86D0-4152-8237-CB2B6121F0B8@sailer-online.de>


Am 22. Mai 2005 um 19:19 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:

> On 5/22/05 8:17 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua>  
> wrote:
>
> URL for download is
>
>     http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc1_mac.dmg

trying to compile I get following error messages

* This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,  
line 53:
newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("Buchung_ID",tmpDB.Table 
("Buchungen"),EVOnDeletion.kCascade)
* This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,  
line 54:
newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("Depot_ID",tmpDB.Table 
("DepotKonten"), EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,  
line 55:
newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("Gegen_ID",tmpDB.Table("Konten"),  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,  
line 58:
newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("WP_ID",tmpDB.Table("WP"),  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBBuchungen.DBBuchungen,  
line 3:
Herk_Konto=new VObjectPtr 
("Herk_Konto",inDataBase.TKonten,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBBuchungen.DBBuchungen,  
line 4:
Ziel_Konto=new VObjectPtr 
("Ziel_Konto",inDataBase.TKonten,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBBuchungen.DBBuchungen,  
line 5:
Kategorie_ID= new VobjectPtr("Kategorie_ID",  
inDataBase.TKategorien,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBDepotKonten.DBDepotKonten, line 9:
WpVerKonto= new VObjectPtr("WpVerKonto", inDataBase.TKonten,  
EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBSteuerfuchsfelder.DBSteuerfuchsfelder, line 4:
FArt=new VObjectPtr("FArt", inDatabase.TFormularArten,  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBSonstiges.DBSonstiges,  
line 2:
HauptKonto= new VObjectPtr("HauptKonto", inDataBase.TKonten,  
EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in DBSonstiges.DBSonstiges,  
line 3:
HauptDepot= new VObjectPtr("HauptDepot", inDataBase.TDepotKonten,  
EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in DBSonstiges.DBSonstiges,  
line 4:
HauptKontoGrp= new VObjectPtr("HauptKontoGrp",  
inDataBase.TKontoGruppen, EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in DBSonstiges.DBSonstiges,  
line 5:
HauptKatGrp= new VObjectPtr("HauptKatGrp",  
inDataBase.TKategorieGruppen, EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in DBDepot.DBDepot, line 2:
Buchung_ID=new VObjectPtr 
("Buchung_ID",inDataBase.TBuchungen,EVOnDeletion.kCascade)
* This method or property does not exist in DBDepot.DBDepot, line 3:
Depot_ID=new VObjectPtr 
("Depot_ID",inDataBase.TDepotKonten,EVOnDeletion.krestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBDepot.DBDepot, line 4:
Gegen_ID=new VObjectPtr 
("Gegen_ID",inDataBase.TKonten,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBDepot.DBDepot, line 6:
WP_ID=new VObjectPtr("WP_ID",inDataBase.TWP,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBWP.DBWP, line 10:
WPArt=new VObjectPtr("WPArt",inDataBase.TWPArten,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBWP.DBWP, line 11:
Online=new VObjectPtr("Online",inDataBase.TOnline,EVFlag.fNullable +  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBWP.DBWP, line 13:
Currency=new VObjectPtr 
("Currency",inDataBase.TCurrencies,EVFlag.fNullable +  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBMakroBuchungen.DBMakroBuchungen, line 3:
Gegen_Konto = new VObjectPtr("Gegen_Konto",inDataBase.TKonten,  
EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBMakroBuchungen.DBMakroBuchungen, line 4:
Kategorie_ID= new VObjectPtr("Kategorie_ID",inDataBase.TKategorien,  
EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBDauerauftraege.DBDauerauftraege, line 6:
Herk_Konto = new VObjectPtr("Herk_Konto",inDataBase.TKonten,  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBDauerauftraege.DBDauerauftraege, line 7:
Ziel_Konto = new VObjectPtr("Ziel_Konto",inDataBase.TKonten,  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBDauerauftraege.DBDauerauftraege, line 8:
Kategorie_ID= new VObjectPtr("Kategorie_ID",inDataBase.TKategorien,  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBKategorien.DBKategorien, line 4:
KategorieGruppen_ID= new VObjectPtr("KategorieGruppen_ID",  
inDataBase.TKategorieGruppen, EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBKategorien.DBKategorien, line 5:
SteuerFeld= new VObjectPtr("SteuerFeld",  
inDataBase.TSteuerfuchsfelder, EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBKategorien.DBKategorien, line 7:
MWSt= new VObjectPtr("MWSt", inDataBase.TMWSt, EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in DBKonten.DBKonten, line 5:
KontoArt_ID= new VObjectPtr("KontoArt_ID", inDataBase.TKontoArt,  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBKonten.DBKonten, line 11:
KontoGrp_ID= new VObjectPtr("KontoGrp_ID", inDataBase.TKontoGruppen,  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in DBKonten.DBKonten, line 14:
HauptGegenKonto= new VObjectPtr("HauptGegenKonto", self,  
EVOnDeletion.kSetNull)
* This method or property does not exist in DBMWStSatz.DBMWStSatz,  
line 2:
MWSt= new VObjectPtr("MWSt", inDataBase.TMWSt, EVOnDeletion.kCascade)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBMWStAnzeige.DBMWStAnzeige, line 3:
HerkKonto=new VObjectPtr 
("HerkKonto",inDataBase.TKonten,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBMWStAnzeige.DBMWStAnzeige, line 4:
ZielKonto=new VObjectPtr 
("ZielKonto",inDataBase.TKonten,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBMWStAnzeige.DBMWStAnzeige, line 5:
KategorieID= new VobjectPtr("KategorieID",  
inDataBase.TKategorien,EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBMWStAnzeige.DBMWStAnzeige, line 10:
MWSt= new VObjectPtr("MWSt", inDataBase.TMWSt, EVOnDeletion.kCascade)
* This method or property does not exist in  
DBCurrencies.DBCurrencies, line 5:
Online=new VObjectPtr("Online",inDataBase.TOnline,EVFlag.fNullable +  
EVOnDeletion.kRestrict)



Claudius

-- 
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Homepage    http://www.ClaSai.de
iChat        ryhoruk
RealBasic ListBoxes: [ I feel the need...the need for speed!!! ]

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun May 22 20:36:47 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May 22 12:36:52 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <C8CB9272-86D0-4152-8237-CB2B6121F0B8@sailer-online.de>
Message-ID: <BEB69DDF.31CB1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/22/05 8:31 PM, "Claudius Sailer" <Claudius@sailer-online.de> wrote:

> 
> Am 22. Mai 2005 um 19:19 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:
> 
>> On 5/22/05 8:17 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> URL for download is
>> 
>>     http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc1_mac.dmg
> 
> trying to compile I get following error messages
> 
> * This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,
> line 53:

> newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("Buchung_ID",tmpDB.Table
> ("Buchungen"),EVOnDeletion.kCascade)

What a strange error.

Please try to run our examples.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Sun May 22 13:47:09 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Sun May 22 12:47:26 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEB69967.31CA3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB69967.31CA3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002004beb67503793d@[10.0.1.5]>

Ruslan, this bug is not really fixed:

0000738: [SQL Parser] REGEX find for { -> assertion failure (Serge)

I have this code:

escapedWordToFind = Valentina.EscapeString(wordToFind, true)

If wordToFind = { it is not escaped (it is returned as {, not \{). 
When I do a REGEX search with it -> assertion failure.

There are then TWO bugs:

1. { should be escaped (or the REGEX codes fixed so that it does not 
require escaping).

2. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET RID OF THOSE DAMN ASSERTION FAILURES. 
I've complained about these forever! An SQL exception should be 
thrown. Assertion failures bring up the SIOUX window a require a 
force-quit. So, in essence they crash our apps.

Thanks,

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun May 22 20:53:53 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May 22 12:54:06 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <C8CB9272-86D0-4152-8237-CB2B6121F0B8@sailer-online.de>
Message-ID: <BEB6A1E1.31CB7%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/22/05 8:31 PM, "Claudius Sailer" <Claudius@sailer-online.de> wrote:

> 
> Am 22. Mai 2005 um 19:19 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:
> 
>> On 5/22/05 8:17 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> URL for download is
>> 
>>     http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc1_mac.dmg
> 
> trying to compile I get following error messages
> 
> * This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,
> line 53:
> newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("Buchung_ID",tmpDB.Table
> ("Buchungen"),EVOnDeletion.kCascade)

Aha,

    EVOnDeletion was renamed to EVOnDelete.




-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun May 22 21:13:25 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May 22 13:13:30 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002004beb67503793d@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEB6A675.31CBE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/22/05 8:47 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Ruslan, this bug is not really fixed:
> 
> 0000738: [SQL Parser] REGEX find for { -> assertion failure (Serge)
> 
> I have this code:
> 
> escapedWordToFind = Valentina.EscapeString(wordToFind, true)
> 
> If wordToFind = { it is not escaped (it is returned as {, not \{).
> When I do a REGEX search with it -> assertion failure.
> 
> There are then TWO bugs:
> 
> 1. { should be escaped (or the REGEX codes fixed so that it does not
> require escaping).
> 
> 2. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET RID OF THOSE DAMN ASSERTION FAILURES.
> I've complained about these forever! An SQL exception should be
> thrown. Assertion failures bring up the SIOUX window a require a
> force-quit. So, in essence they crash our apps.

I will check now Jon.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From Claudius at sailer-online.de  Sun May 22 20:14:17 2005
From: Claudius at sailer-online.de (Claudius Sailer)
Date: Sun May 22 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4 fc1 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEB6A1E1.31CB7%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB6A1E1.31CB7%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <44898F28-00F8-4982-AF7E-F78908149D26@sailer-online.de>


Am 22. Mai 2005 um 19:53 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:

> On 5/22/05 8:31 PM, "Claudius Sailer" <Claudius@sailer-online.de>  
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Am 22. Mai 2005 um 19:19 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:
>>
>>
>>> On 5/22/05 8:17 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> URL for download is
>>>
>>>     http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc1_mac.dmg
>>>
>>
>> trying to compile I get following error messages
>>
>> * This method or property does not exist in Modul.DBSchemaVersion02,
>> line 53:
>> newFld= Base.CreateObjectPtrField("Buchung_ID",tmpDB.Table
>> ("Buchungen"),EVOnDeletion.kCascade)
>>
>
> Aha,
>
>     EVOnDeletion was renamed to EVOnDelete.

really great thats it. Thanks a lot.



Claudius

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May 23 01:15:42 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun May 22 17:15:48 2005
Subject: [V4RB] ImportText not working
In-Reply-To: <010463ba613ee410b36247ab16539e6b@goodeast.com>
Message-ID: <BEB6DF3E.31D22%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/22/05 11:07 PM, "Frank Schima" <macsforever2000@goodeast.com> wrote:

>>   curs = gDB.SQLSelect( "SELECT * FROM Zip_Codes WHERE false",
>> EVCursorDirection.kForwardOnly, EVLockType.kReadWrite )

> 
> FYI, ImportText is working fine for me in 2.0.4fc1. My code is:
> 
>    theImportCursor = mDatabase.SQLSelect(theSQLString,
> EVCursorLocation.kServerSide, EVLockType.kReadWrite,
> EVCursorDirection.kRandom)

Kem,

It seems you have mistake in code:

You have second parameter EVCursorDirection.kForwardOnly

But must be EVCursorLocation.kServerSide


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Mon May 23 08:45:38 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 23 07:45:57 2005
Subject: viSQL
In-Reply-To: <BEB2DF87.31894%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB2DF87.31894%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002002beb780c9dcc9@[137.187.213.114]>

viSQL 2.0.4 fc1 can't open any of my databases -> error: 0

But the db's can be opened by my app, and appear to be just fine. 
Anyone else see this behavior?

Jon
From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Mon May 23 08:34:19 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Mon May 23 09:34:28 2005
Subject: viSQL
In-Reply-To: <p06002002beb780c9dcc9@[137.187.213.114]>
References: <BEB2DF87.31894%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002002beb780c9dcc9@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <4370c112f649d60c5a64606d1eaea258@goodeast.com>


On May 23, 2005, at 6:45 AM, jda wrote:

> viSQL 2.0.4 fc1 can't open any of my databases -> error: 0
>
> But the db's can be opened by my app, and appear to be just fine. 
> Anyone else see this behavior?

Yes.

2.0.4fc1 modified the structure browser and broke it. I grabbed the one 
(wBrowser.rbw from the Shared code folder) from 2.0.3 and had to 
comment out a few lines of code to get it working again. Ruslan will 
have to fix this in the next build.


Best regards,
Frank
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From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Mon May 23 11:43:12 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Mon May 23 10:43:27 2005
Subject: Date/DateTime values "not prepared for update" -- bug #808
Message-ID: <2C29A95B-CD2C-485F-8EBA-7A68AC458569@vermontsoftworks.com>

Hi, Ruslan --

I was thrilled finally to get my hands on 2.0.4fc1, which was finally  
going to fix #770 -- where new database constructed via the "class  
way" were always marked as read-only.

It's true that the database's IsReadOnly flag is now properly False,  
and I can add new records properly (thank you!).  However...

I still cannot update records, because any time I attempt to call  
UpdateRecord in a record that contains a Date or DateTime field, I  
generate a VException #525582:

     Field "[fieldname]": value was not prepared for Update

I've modified the DateTime_Format example database (mis-named, by the  
way, since it deals only with Dates, not DateTimes!) to demonstrate  
the problem.

I really hope you'll be able to fix this *and* release an update soon  
-- I've been dead in the water since I reported bug #770.  (Every one  
of my tables contains DateTime fields for Create and Modify date/ 
timestamps.)

Many thanks!

-- Erik

From delong at redcort.com  Mon May 23 10:10:29 2005
From: delong at redcort.com (Keith DeLong)
Date: Mon May 23 12:10:47 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2E947.318B3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEB75C95.1BF09%delong@redcort.com>

> On 5/20/05 12:55 AM, "Sean Wilson" <snw@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> 
>>> During this time I have fix 2 crash-bugs in the 1.11
>>> And made 2 optimizations in the INDEXES, which have give speedup,
>>>     believe you or not in about 10 times for that tasks we have test.
>> 
>> Just to clarify - does this mean there is a new 1.x version of all products
>> (for example 1.12) slated for release soon?
> 
> I think it will be good idea to make 1.12 build for all product line.


That will be very much appreciated for us supporting 1.x while we get up to
speed with v2.

Keith DeLong


From jda at his.com  Tue May 24 13:52:04 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Tue May 24 12:52:19 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB2D869.31874%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002014beb91a0897ef@[137.187.213.114]>

>  > You mentioned a new build was coming soon...
>
>Hi Jon,
>Hi All,
>
>Status is next:
>

Hi Ruslan,

Is 2.0.4 FC ready to go final? Is there anything else pending?

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue May 24 20:55:29 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May 24 12:55:34 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <p06002014beb91a0897ef@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEB94541.32077%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/24/05 8:52 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>>> You mentioned a new build was coming soon...
>> 
>> Hi Jon,
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Status is next:
>> 
> 
> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> Is 2.0.4 FC ready to go final? Is there anything else pending?

Not ready

We have fix 5-7 bugs more already

And I see in Mantis more.

I think today will be fc2

Btw fc2 will have one improvement which should affect db.open()
Let me know please if it really happens.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Wed May 25 16:31:23 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Wed May 25 15:31:35 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEB94541.32077%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB94541.32077%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BAAF7CD9-AF6E-4AD2-8D23-AAC5E7E6B5FD@vermontsoftworks.com>

On May 24, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 5/24/05 8:52 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>
>> Is 2.0.4 FC ready to go final? Is there anything else pending?
>
> Not ready
>
> We have fix 5-7 bugs more already
>
> And I see in Mantis more.
>
> I think today will be fc2
>
> Btw fc2 will have one improvement which should affect db.open()
> Let me know please if it really happens.

It wasn't.  And nothing yet today.  Any chance of tomorrow?  I know  
you're doing Great Things, but I cannot proceed with anything at all  
until I have a version with both #770 and #808 fixed.  I'm trying to  
be patient....

Many thanks!

-- Erik

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed May 25 23:40:54 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed May 25 15:41:09 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BAAF7CD9-AF6E-4AD2-8D23-AAC5E7E6B5FD@vermontsoftworks.com>
Message-ID: <BEBABD86.3225F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/25/05 11:31 PM, "Erik Mueller-Harder"
<valentina-list@vermontsoftworks.com> wrote:

> On May 24, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
>> On 5/24/05 8:52 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is 2.0.4 FC ready to go final? Is there anything else pending?
>> 
>> Not ready
>> 
>> We have fix 5-7 bugs more already
>> 
>> And I see in Mantis more.
>> 
>> I think today will be fc2
>> 
>> Btw fc2 will have one improvement which should affect db.open()
>> Let me know please if it really happens.
> 
> It wasn't.  And nothing yet today.  Any chance of tomorrow?  I know
> you're doing Great Things, but I cannot proceed with anything at all
> until I have a version with both #770 and #808 fixed.  I'm trying to
> be patient....
> 
> Many thanks!

Building fc2 right now

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Wed May 25 17:14:24 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Wed May 25 16:14:40 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 fc?
In-Reply-To: <BEBABD86.3225F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBABD86.3225F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <9A7E77F0-CEB1-4180-AC1D-746A672F10E4@vermontsoftworks.com>

On May 25, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> Building fc2 right now

Fantastic!  I didn't expect to hear from you this late.  Thank you  
very much!

-- Erik

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 00:37:07 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed May 25 16:37:25 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
Message-ID: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc2_mac.dmg



kernel - 2.0.4
==============
- 0000738: [SQL Parser] REGEX find for { -> assertion failure (Serge)
- 0000754: [API] REQUEST: add a Alert when I add a linkRecord and the same
link is does exist (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000776: [API] methodfields with long methoddescriptions are not stored
after db.close() (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000800: [SQL] [NEW] Pool of queries. (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000796: [Cursors] If Cursor on join is destroyed AFTER db is closed and
destoyed then crash. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
- 0000788: [Feature Request] GETDATE() and GETTIME() SQL-functions. (Ivan
Smahin)
- 0000787: [API] Valentina.GetDatabaseVersion is broken (Ruslan Zasukhin)
- 0000785: [Methods (calculated fields)] substr(curdate(), 1, 4) getting
crash. (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000783: [SQL] DATEFUNCTIONS returns wrong results (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000775: [Error codes/classes] Errors messages with missed params. (Ivan
Smahin)
- 0000774: [Feature Request] IDENTITY (autoincrement) fields. (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000772: [SQL Parser] AUTOINCREMENT (IDENTITY) supporting. (Serge)



V4RB - 2.0.4
============
- 0000808: [Class-way] Cannot modify Date or DateTime fields (Ivan Smahin)
- 0000803: [Change] Constants of EVOs enum renamed. (Igor Gomon)
- 0000802: [Change] Enum EVOnDeletion renamed to EVOnDelete (Igor Gomon)
- 0000801: [Other] Fixed typo in Valentina.EscapeString() which cause RB2005
problems. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
- 0000366: [Feature Request] VLink.IsLinked(recID, tbA, tbB) function (Ivan
Smahin)


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]

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From jda at his.com  Wed May 25 18:22:02 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Wed May 25 17:22:17 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002000bebaaaecfa40@[10.0.1.5]>

Sorry, Ruslan, but I'm getting all sorts of errors (-39) and then 
crashes. I can't run my app at all.

Jon
From jda at his.com  Wed May 25 18:32:01 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Wed May 25 17:32:16 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bebaaaecfa40@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bebaaaecfa40@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <p06002001bebaabee36d9@[10.0.1.5]>

>Sorry, Ruslan, but I'm getting all sorts of errors (-39) and then 
>crashes. I can't run my app at all.
>

That should be -38 (File not open). This happens when I try to open 
my preference file (which is a V2 database). And I'm not getting even 
those, now. Just crashes. Here's a log:

0   MSL_All_Carbon.Shlb     	0x00560804 0x557000 + 38916
1   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x021fee84 
GetPage__Q23fbl5CacheFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Aspect_Cached>Uxb 
+ 172
2   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x021fed2c 
GetPage__Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePageCFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Aspect_Cached>Ux 
+ 96
3   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x021feaf8 
LinkToPage__Q23fbl105FileIterator_Cached<Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePage,Q23fbl20Policy_Write_OnePage,Q23fbl19Policy_PageLimit_No>Fb 
+ 276
4   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x021f3e4c 
Read__Q23fbl24FileIterator_Cached_BaseFPcUl + 60
5   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x025d1380 
ReadNode__3fblFQ23fbl33smart_ptr<Q23fbl14I_FileIterator>RQ23fbl11RBTree_Node 
+ 92
6   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x025d2090 Right__Q23fbl11RBTree_NodeCFv + 420
7   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x025d4fa8 
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair<Ul,Ul> 
+ 108
8   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb	0x025d4fb8 
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair<Ul,Ul> 
+ 124

From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Wed May 25 21:52:23 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Wed May 25 22:52:39 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bebaabee36d9@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bebaaaecfa40@[10.0.1.5]>
	<p06002001bebaabee36d9@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <7d71460db16fd27eb7a8fe1d5be6e327@goodeast.com>


On May 25, 2005, at 4:32 PM, jda wrote:

>> Sorry, Ruslan, but I'm getting all sorts of errors (-39) and then 
>> crashes. I can't run my app at all.
>>
>
> That should be -38 (File not open). This happens when I try to open my 
> preference file (which is a V2 database). And I'm not getting even 
> those, now. Just crashes. Here's a log:

I'm having problems opening my databases too. I get VExceptions. ViSQL 
will crash and complain about an internal error.


Best regards,
Frank Schima

From Claudius at sailer-online.de  Thu May 26 09:34:04 2005
From: Claudius at sailer-online.de (Claudius Sailer)
Date: Thu May 26 02:34:21 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <7d71460db16fd27eb7a8fe1d5be6e327@goodeast.com>
References: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bebaaaecfa40@[10.0.1.5]>
	<p06002001bebaabee36d9@[10.0.1.5]>
	<7d71460db16fd27eb7a8fe1d5be6e327@goodeast.com>
Message-ID: <CFF022E2-F571-4046-94F6-83A3353013FE@sailer-online.de>


Am 26. Mai 2005 um 05:52 Uhr schrieb Frank Schima:

>
> On May 25, 2005, at 4:32 PM, jda wrote:
>
>
>>> Sorry, Ruslan, but I'm getting all sorts of errors (-39) and then  
>>> crashes. I can't run my app at all.
>>>
>>
>> That should be -38 (File not open). This happens when I try to  
>> open my preference file (which is a V2 database). And I'm not  
>> getting even those, now. Just crashes. Here's a log:
>>
>
> I'm having problems opening my databases too. I get VExceptions.  
> ViSQL will crash and complain about an internal error.


same to me.


Claudius

-- 
G4/733 QS / MacOS X 10.4de / RB 5.5.5/ Valentina 1.10.0 & 2.0.4
Homepage    http://www.ClaSai.de
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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 11:13:14 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 03:13:28 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <CFF022E2-F571-4046-94F6-83A3353013FE@sailer-online.de>
Message-ID: <BEBB5FCA.32344%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/26/05 10:34 AM, "Claudius Sailer" <Claudius@sailer-online.de> wrote:
 
> same to me.
> 
> Claudius

I debugging now.

It seems some problem with release build.
Debug target works.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ayu8 at cdc.gov  Thu May 26 08:02:25 2005
From: ayu8 at cdc.gov (Sims, John)
Date: Thu May 26 07:02:41 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
Message-ID: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F01C486@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>


kernel - 2.0.4
==============
- 0000754: [API] REQUEST: add a Alert when I add a linkRecord and the
same link is does exist (Ivan Smahin)


Hi Ruslan,

I'm not really sure I understand the usefulness for this request/new
feature.  It seems to me that if I want to link two records (we'll call
them 1 and 2) and a link already exists between 1 and 2 that Valentina
should just leave the existing link intact and ignore my request (thus
maintaining uniqueness).  If this were the case, I would not really care
if they were already linked or not as, in the end, all I really care
about is that records 1 and 2 are linked.  If I want to know ahead of
time if I have already linked these two records, I could just use the
new Vlink.IsLinked function.  In my opinion, raising an exception forces
me to add more overhead to my application to trap this "error" thus
slowing my application down (it has been documented earlier that the
REALbasic exception handler does slow processing down).

Perhaps I am the only one who sees it like this.  Anyone else have any
comments?

Thanks, as always!

-John
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 16:14:13 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 08:14:32 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F01C486@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BEBBA655.32388%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/26/05 3:02 PM, "Sims, John" <ayu8@cdc.gov> wrote:

> 
> kernel - 2.0.4
> ==============
> - 0000754: [API] REQUEST: add a Alert when I add a linkRecord and the
> same link is does exist (Ivan Smahin)
> 
> 
> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> I'm not really sure I understand the usefulness for this request/new
> feature.  It seems to me that if I want to link two records (we'll call
> them 1 and 2) and a link already exists between 1 and 2 that Valentina
> should just leave the existing link intact and ignore my request (thus
> maintaining uniqueness).  If this were the case, I would not really care
> if they were already linked or not as, in the end, all I really care
> about is that records 1 and 2 are linked.  If I want to know ahead of
> time if I have already linked these two records, I could just use the
> new Vlink.IsLinked function.  In my opinion, raising an exception forces
> me to add more overhead to my application to trap this "error" thus
> slowing my application down (it has been documented earlier that the
> REALbasic exception handler does slow processing down).
> 
> Perhaps I am the only one who sees it like this.  Anyone else have any
> comments?

Frankly saying I agree with you.

Just that was request from Paolo.
I also do not like idea throw exception in this case.

Paolo, do you agree with arguments of John ?

I think we should disable back this exception.
Ivan?


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Thu May 26 07:28:06 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Thu May 26 08:28:26 2005
Subject: REALbasic 2005b12 Standard Edition and V4RB 2.0.3 Still No Joy
Message-ID: <1e4cd3d5bc435a53c3ae5be8bab6aade@goodeast.com>

Hi all,


I'm still dead in the water as far as using REALbasic 2005 and 
Valentina. RB 2005 b12 Standard Edition and V4RB 2.0.3 (and 2.0.4fc2) 
still do not mix. I cannot compile even the initial default project.

I thought REALsoftware was serious about fixing plugin problems? This 
plugin works fine in RB 5.5.5.

I'd really like to upgrade to RB 2005 but I cannot use it until this 
bug is fixed:

<http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/viewreport.php?reportid=ppmjcyjn>

Valentina users: Please vote for this bug!


Best regards,
Frank Schima

From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Thu May 26 12:18:54 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Thu May 26 11:39:46 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bebaabee36d9@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bebaaaecfa40@[10.0.1.5]>
	<p06002001bebaabee36d9@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <B1E69C8D-DDDB-42E1-9E83-4BE373FC386B@vermontsoftworks.com>

On May 25, 2005, at 6:32 PM, jda wrote:

> This happens when I try to open my preference file (which is a V2  
> database). And I'm not getting even those, now. Just crashes.  
> Here's a log:

<snip>

I'm able to create a new database and work with it with no problems  
(Yea!  Thank you, Ruslan!).  But if I close it and re-open it, I  
crash with a log that looks very different from Jon's; perhaps seeing  
this will help you debug, Ruslan:

EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xbf7fffc0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0    0x1090000 + 38944
1     
GetPage__Q23fbl5CacheFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Aspect_Cached>Uxb + 
  172
2     
GetPage__Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePageCFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Asp 
ect_Cached>Ux + 96
3     
LinkToPage__Q23fbl105FileIterator_Cached<Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePage,Q23 
fbl20Policy_Write_OnePage,Q23fbl19Policy_PageLimit_No>Fb + 276
4    Read__Q23fbl24FileIterator_Cached_BaseFPcUl + 60
5     
ReadNode__3fblFQ23fbl33smart_ptr<Q23fbl14I_FileIterator>RQ23fbl11RBTree_ 
Node + 92
6    Right__Q23fbl11RBTree_NodeCFv + 420
7     
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair< 
Ul,Ul> + 108
8     
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair< 
Ul,Ul> + 124
9     
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair< 
Ul,Ul> + 124

-- Erik

From jda at his.com  Thu May 26 12:23:14 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 26 11:39:51 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEB27245.31799%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002004bebba84e8724@[137.187.213.114]>

Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 database 
searchable with Spotlight?

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 19:49:44 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 11:49:57 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <B1E69C8D-DDDB-42E1-9E83-4BE373FC386B@vermontsoftworks.com>
Message-ID: <BEBBD8D8.32425%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/26/05 7:18 PM, "Erik Mueller-Harder"
<valentina-list@vermontsoftworks.com> wrote:

> On May 25, 2005, at 6:32 PM, jda wrote:
> 
>> This happens when I try to open my preference file (which is a V2
>> database). And I'm not getting even those, now. Just crashes.
>> Here's a log:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> I'm able to create a new database and work with it with no problems
> (Yea!  Thank you, Ruslan!).  But if I close it and re-open it, I
> crash with a log that looks very different from Jon's; perhaps seeing
> this will help you debug, Ruslan:

I am going upload fc3 soon

I have spend half of day trying catch which not exists

At last of end when I rebuild ALL libs it have start to work.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 19:50:36 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 11:50:48 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <p06002004bebba84e8724@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEBBD90C.32426%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/26/05 7:23 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 database
> searchable with Spotlight?

We have not study deeply what Spotlish can do for database.

I have read that it build own indexes.
But this have no sense from point of view of DB.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Thu May 26 12:52:35 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Thu May 26 11:52:55 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBACAB3.3227C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <551DD885-E83B-4331-AFEA-0D47491E1B06@vermontsoftworks.com>

Hi, Kem --

On May 26, 2005, at 12:29 PM, you wrote:

> Is there an update that I missed?

Did you see this one?

-- Erik


On May 25, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc2_mac.dmg
>
>
>
> kernel - 2.0.4
> ==============
> - 0000738: [SQL Parser] REGEX find for { -> assertion failure (Serge)
> - 0000754: [API] REQUEST: add a Alert when I add a linkRecord and  
> the same link is does exist (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000776: [API] methodfields with long methoddescriptions are not  
> stored after db.close() (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000800: [SQL] [NEW] Pool of queries. (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000796: [Cursors] If Cursor on join is destroyed AFTER db is  
> closed and destoyed then crash. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
> - 0000788: [Feature Request] GETDATE() and GETTIME() SQL-functions.  
> (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000787: [API] Valentina.GetDatabaseVersion is broken (Ruslan  
> Zasukhin)
> - 0000785: [Methods (calculated fields)] substr(curdate(), 1, 4)  
> getting crash. (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000783: [SQL] DATEFUNCTIONS returns wrong results (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000775: [Error codes/classes] Errors messages with missed  
> params. (Ivan Smahin)
> - 0000774: [Feature Request] IDENTITY (autoincrement) fields. (Ivan  
> Smahin)
> - 0000772: [SQL Parser] AUTOINCREMENT (IDENTITY) supporting. (Serge)
>
>
>
> V4RB - 2.0.4
> ============
> - 0000808: [Class-way] Cannot modify Date or DateTime fields (Ivan  
> Smahin)
> - 0000803: [Change] Constants of EVOs enum renamed. (Igor Gomon)
> - 0000802: [Change] Enum EVOnDeletion renamed to EVOnDelete (Igor  
> Gomon)
> - 0000801: [Other] Fixed typo in Valentina.EscapeString() which  
> cause RB2005 problems. (Ruslan Zasukhin)
> - 0000366: [Feature Request] VLink.IsLinked(recID, tbA, tbB)  
> function (Ivan Smahin)
>
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
>
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]

From jda at his.com  Thu May 26 12:52:42 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 26 11:52:58 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <BEBBD90C.32426%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBBD90C.32426%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002007bebbaf061a53@[137.187.213.114]>

>  > Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 database
>>  searchable with Spotlight?
>
>We have not study deeply what Spotlish can do for database.
>
>I have read that it build own indexes.
>But this have no sense from point of view of DB.
>

I'm not sure of what value it has, either, but some of my users want 
to be able to do Spotlight searches that find text in V2 records. 
This might be of value if they have many different databases, and 
want to find one that contains a certain name or term.

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 19:57:22 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 11:57:37 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <p06002007bebbaf061a53@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEBBDAA2.32434%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/26/05 7:52 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

>>> Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 database
>>>  searchable with Spotlight?
>> 
>> We have not study deeply what Spotlish can do for database.
>> 
>> I have read that it build own indexes.
>> But this have no sense from point of view of DB.
>> 
> 
> I'm not sure of what value it has, either, but some of my users want
> to be able to do Spotlight searches that find text in V2 records.

I see.

Hmm, so we need do it in SUCH way, that you can integrate it into your
applications, right ?

> This might be of value if they have many different databases, and
> want to find one that contains a certain name or term.

That is clear.

Just I did dream that Spotlight will call somehow Valentina which self will
do search. Without duplicating of data. May be they can do this.
Do not know yet.

And this sounds as must exists some constant Valentina service -
    ok -- plugin of Spotlight



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Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu May 26 10:00:19 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu May 26 12:00:33 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <p06002007bebbaf061a53@[137.187.213.114]>
References: <BEBBD90C.32426%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002007bebbaf061a53@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <a6d514d83bcc5a25981e96a6f17c7044@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 26, 2005, at 9:52 AM, jda wrote:

>>  > Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 database
>>>  searchable with Spotlight?
>>
>> We have not study deeply what Spotlish can do for database.
>>
>> I have read that it build own indexes.
>> But this have no sense from point of view of DB.
>>
>
> I'm not sure of what value it has, either, but some of my users want 
> to be able to do Spotlight searches that find text in V2 records. This 
> might be of value if they have many different databases, and want to 
> find one that contains a certain name or term.

I found this at the 
<http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/9>:


"It does seem like a bit of a hack?and potentially wasteful?to store 
both a monolithic database file and a bunch of individual data files 
for a given data set, but Spotlight as it currently exists is doggedly 
file-granular. There must be an individual file camped out in the file 
system somewhere for each entry in the Spotlight to metadata store.

Apple is apparently working with at least one third-party developer, 
Microsoft, to see what can be done in this area. Here's what a 
Microsoft representative had to say.

[Spotlight] won't index Entourage and that's simply due to the way that 
Spotlight was made versus Entourage. Entourage saves everything in a 
database format and we are working with Apple to see how Spotlight can 
index the database."

So apparently SpotLight doesn't work with databases right now.  I 
*think* you would have to write out individual files that SpotLight 
could search.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor@mangomultimedia.com
From jda at his.com  Thu May 26 13:00:32 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 26 12:00:49 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <BEBBDAA2.32434%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBBDAA2.32434%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002008bebbb08974e8@[137.187.213.114]>

>  > I'm not sure of what value it has, either, but some of my users want
>>  to be able to do Spotlight searches that find text in V2 records.
>
>I see.
>
>Hmm, so we need do it in SUCH way, that you can integrate it into your
>applications, right ?

No. For this, all that is needed is a metadata filter(?) that let's 
the OS index V2 databases. Then one can do a Spotlight search from 
the OS menu bar and find which databases (or any document) contain 
the search term(s). Double-clicking would launch our apps and open 
the database (I don't think it would be possible to go to the record, 
though, unless that is programmable in our apps).

Jon
From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Thu May 26 13:03:50 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Thu May 26 12:04:05 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <p06002007bebbaf061a53@[137.187.213.114]>
References: <BEBBD90C.32426%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002007bebbaf061a53@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <ED6AD520-5D3E-4CCD-96DA-9A80697FB69C@vermontsoftworks.com>

On May 26, 2005, at 12:52 PM, jda wrote:

> I'm not sure of what value it has, either, but some of my users  
> want to be able to do Spotlight searches that find text in V2  
> records. This might be of value if they have many different  
> databases, and want to find one that contains a certain name or term.

Without resorting to hacks, Spotlight is unable to search megalithic  
files meaningfully; hence, for example, Mail.app is now storing each  
message in its own file, rather than within a large .mbox file.   
AddressBook is doing a similar thing (though I understand it is  
storing its data twice:  once in a database file, and once in  
discrete person files.

So, other than the case you mention of being able to find *which* V2  
database contains a string (assuming it's stored as clear text), I  
can't imagine anything very useful being possible.  You could, of  
course, write out duplicate data in text files, a la AddressBook, but  
you'd further have to design your program in such a way that it would  
react to Spotlight's (or the Finder's) request to open the file by  
having it then display the full associated record from the V2 database.

Considering how slow and clumsy Spotlight seems to be (at least on my  
2.5GHz DP G5!) and how lightning-quick and flexible V2 is, I think  
I'll be pursuing other options for now.

-- Erik

From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu May 26 11:42:15 2005
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu May 26 13:40:32 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <p06002004bebba84e8724@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <20050526184016.4AA8217D015@spatula.dreamhost.com>

Hi Jon,

> Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 
> database searchable with Spotlight?

Can you explain tangible benefits (other than it would be cool)? Yes, its
something we've talked about, but I would like to get an understanding of
why people would want it.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Thu May 26 14:51:23 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Thu May 26 13:51:40 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <20050526184016.4AA8217D015@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <BEBB92EB.39746%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/26/05 2:42 PM, Lynn Fredricks at lfredricks@proactive-intl.com wrote:

> but I would like to get an understanding of
> why people would want it.

It would let us create apps that are Spotlight-searchable. For example, if I
create an app that archives e-mail, it would be nice if the user could
search the archive through Spotlight without having to launch the full app
first.

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From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Thu May 26 14:52:18 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Thu May 26 13:52:33 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 link
Message-ID: <BEBB9322.39746%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

I just joined this list. Could someone repost the link to the latest fc?

Thanks.

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From yeomans at desuetude.com  Thu May 26 15:01:14 2005
From: yeomans at desuetude.com (Charles Yeomans)
Date: Thu May 26 14:01:32 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <20050526184016.4AA8217D015@spatula.dreamhost.com>
References: <20050526184016.4AA8217D015@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <ce3809e4058fddd1b84446ec8ff30a2f@desuetude.com>


On May 26, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
>> Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2
>> database searchable with Spotlight?
>
> Can you explain tangible benefits (other than it would be cool)? Yes, 
> its
> something we've talked about, but I would like to get an understanding 
> of
> why people would want it.

Eventually, I expect that users will come to expect the ability to 
search data using Spotlight, so applications that use Valentina might 
be at a competitive disadvantage.

--------------
Charles Yeomans

From jda at his.com  Thu May 26 15:04:37 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 26 14:04:50 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 link
In-Reply-To: <BEBB9322.39746%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
References: <BEBB9322.39746%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <p06002010bebbce326843@[137.187.213.114]>

>I just joined this list. Could someone repost the link to the latest fc?
>
>Thanks.
>

You don't want it, it is broken. Wait for FC3.

Jon
From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Thu May 26 15:26:35 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Thu May 26 14:26:54 2005
Subject: 2.0.4 link
In-Reply-To: <p06002010bebbce326843@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEBB9B2B.39767%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/26/05 3:04 PM, jda at jda@his.com wrote:

> You don't want it, it is broken. Wait for FC3.

Got it. Thanks.

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From rjb at robelko.com  Thu May 26 21:24:01 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu May 26 14:27:10 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <ce3809e4058fddd1b84446ec8ff30a2f@desuetude.com>
References: <20050526184016.4AA8217D015@spatula.dreamhost.com>
	<ce3809e4058fddd1b84446ec8ff30a2f@desuetude.com>
Message-ID: <a06110449bebbd12cd379@[192.168.1.100]>

>On May 26, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
>>Hi Jon,
>>
>>>Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2
>>>database searchable with Spotlight?
>>
>>Can you explain tangible benefits (other than it would be cool)? Yes, its
>>something we've talked about, but I would like to get an understanding of
>>why people would want it.
>
>Eventually, I expect that users will come to expect the ability to 
>search data using Spotlight, so applications that use Valentina 
>might be at a competitive disadvantage.
>
>--------------
>Charles Yeomans

But then Valentina is not the only one facing that issue. I suspect 
that sooner or later Apple will provide an API or SDK to extend 
Spotlight's capabilities in indexing/searching files that Spotlight 
can't touch at the moment.

My guess is that they included SqLite as the engine for Spotlight, 
and if so, it may be a matter of allowing Spotlight to use alternate 
engines through some adaptors, for example.

On the other hand, allowing Spotlight to do undiscriminate searches 
through relational database files may not be so useful (think .ind 
files of valentina). I think that there would have to be a way for 
each database to identify what is searchable and what not.

Robert
From ayu8 at cdc.gov  Thu May 26 15:47:21 2005
From: ayu8 at cdc.gov (Sims, John)
Date: Thu May 26 14:53:43 2005
Subject: Spotlight
Message-ID: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F01C487@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: valentina-beta-bounces@lists.macserve.net 
> [mailto:valentina-beta-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf 
> Of Robert Brenstein
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:24 PM
> To: Valentina Beta
> Subject: Re: Spotlight
> 
> 
> >On May 26, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Jon,
> >>
> >>>Hi all. Has anyone explored the possibility of making a V2 
> database 
> >>>searchable with Spotlight?
> >>
> >>Can you explain tangible benefits (other than it would be 
> cool)? Yes, 
> >>its something we've talked about, but I would like to get an 
> >>understanding of why people would want it.
> >
> >Eventually, I expect that users will come to expect the ability to
> >search data using Spotlight, so applications that use Valentina 
> >might be at a competitive disadvantage.
> >
> >--------------
> >Charles Yeomans
> 
> But then Valentina is not the only one facing that issue. I suspect 
> that sooner or later Apple will provide an API or SDK to extend 
> Spotlight's capabilities in indexing/searching files that Spotlight 
> can't touch at the moment.
> 
> My guess is that they included SqLite as the engine for Spotlight, 
> and if so, it may be a matter of allowing Spotlight to use alternate 
> engines through some adaptors, for example.
> 
> On the other hand, allowing Spotlight to do undiscriminate searches 
> through relational database files may not be so useful (think .ind 
> files of valentina). I think that there would have to be a way for 
> each database to identify what is searchable and what not.
> 
> Robert

In addition, the very nature of relational databases would make such
searches difficult to make meaningful.  Even if Spotlight could search
through the tables, it is not going to know how to resolve the
relationships between tables to provide useful information.  Somebody (I
think Kem) mentioned archiving e-mails.  I would suspect that this
information would be broken up across multiple tables as it should be if
you are using a relational database.  I'm not sure what good it would do
for Spotlight to find "concert tickets" in the message of an e-mail
without being able to provide information such as who sent it and when.
I suspect that Robert is correct about an API/SDK but I think, even
then, it will be difficult to Paradigma to incorporate in a useful way
as it is we, the developers, who are in control of our data structures.

Just my 2 cents before I go home for the day.

Take care.

-John
From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Thu May 26 16:09:43 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Thu May 26 15:09:56 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F01C487@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BEBBA547.39786%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/26/05 3:47 PM, Sims, John at ayu8@cdc.gov wrote:

> Even if Spotlight could search
> through the tables, it is not going to know how to resolve the
> relationships between tables to provide useful information.

It doesn't need to. For example, if I search for "QUERY SELECTION,"
Spotlight shows my 4D language references (PDF files). When I double-click
one of those documents, Preview opens it up with the search term already
entered.

Now let's extend that to your example: I search for "concert tickets" and
Spotlight shows my program's Valentina data file. Double-click it and my app
opens up with "concert tickets" already entered into the search field.

Obviously I have to be able to include the ability to automagically enter
the search term (an Apple Event, I'm guessing), but the first step is for
Spotlight to show the document to the user.

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 26 23:36:32 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 15:36:50 2005
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <a06110449bebbd12cd379@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <BEBC0E00.324B1%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/26/05 10:24 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb@robelko.com> wrote:

> But then Valentina is not the only one facing that issue. I suspect
> that sooner or later Apple will provide an API or SDK to extend
> Spotlight's capabilities in indexing/searching files that Spotlight
> can't touch at the moment.
> 
> My guess is that they included SqLite as the engine for Spotlight,
> and if so, it may be a matter of allowing Spotlight to use alternate
> engines through some adaptors, for example.

I do not think they have made so stupid step, Robert.
SQL Lite cannot handle so huge dbs as indexing of the whole HDD.

I know that Apple did have far ago own indexing technology.

SQLLIte was used in Tiger for Core Data Technology.
If to looks on what it can do, it is easy to see that this Core Data tech
just implement persistent of application objects. Where is used this mainly?
Right -- to store preferences.

So as I have see that, SQL Lite was choosed only for small simple tasks.

Of course some developers can try to use that for own classes and try to
store millions of objects, but I think they will meet big problems. Because
the true OO db engines targeted for such tasks (as was NeoAccess in the
past) are much more complex then SQL Lite is.

 
> On the other hand, allowing Spotlight to do undiscriminate searches
> through relational database files may not be so useful (think .ind
> files of valentina). I think that there would have to be a way for
> each database to identify what is searchable and what not.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 00:16:13 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 16:16:31 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
Message-ID: <BEBC174D.324CA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

Hi All,

Please try this build and let us know

  http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc2_mac.dmg


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Thu May 26 17:23:29 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Thu May 26 16:23:42 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEBC174D.324CA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBBB691.397BD%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/26/05 5:16 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> Please try this build and let us know

Link says fc2. That's wrong, no?

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 00:24:46 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu May 26 16:24:59 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEBBB691.397BD%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBC194E.324D2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 12:23 AM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> On 5/26/05 5:16 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:
> 
>> Please try this build and let us know
> 
> Link says fc2. That's wrong, no?

Ops, wrong

Use 

      http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From info at vallemediatime.com  Thu May 26 23:55:30 2005
From: info at vallemediatime.com (info@vallemediatime.com)
Date: Thu May 26 16:55:49 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
References: <BEBBA655.32388%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <001e01c5623d$a2aad940$a5231e97@vmtrm4p9ipbkv2>

Hi Ruslan and Jon
I've read now your thead...
I think that the question is:
if the user try to link: T1 f1 <---> T2 f1 and after he request a new bad
copy of the same link... as it is better to perceive the user and to prevent
the duplication of the link? In the v2.0.3 the command is ignored, but the
bad user can't undestand it...
However I need to think about this with a real application and I want wait
the next 2.0.4 upgrade for test it.
Thanks
Paolo



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
To: <valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net>; <valentina@lists.macserve.net>;
"Ivan Smahin" <IvanSmahin@public.kherson.ua>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded


> On 5/26/05 3:02 PM, "Sims, John" <ayu8@cdc.gov> wrote:
>
> >
> > kernel - 2.0.4
> > ==============
> > - 0000754: [API] REQUEST: add a Alert when I add a linkRecord and the
> > same link is does exist (Ivan Smahin)
> >
> >
> > Hi Ruslan,
> >
> > I'm not really sure I understand the usefulness for this request/new
> > feature.  It seems to me that if I want to link two records (we'll call
> > them 1 and 2) and a link already exists between 1 and 2 that Valentina
> > should just leave the existing link intact and ignore my request (thus
> > maintaining uniqueness).  If this were the case, I would not really care
> > if they were already linked or not as, in the end, all I really care
> > about is that records 1 and 2 are linked.  If I want to know ahead of
> > time if I have already linked these two records, I could just use the
> > new Vlink.IsLinked function.  In my opinion, raising an exception forces
> > me to add more overhead to my application to trap this "error" thus
> > slowing my application down (it has been documented earlier that the
> > REALbasic exception handler does slow processing down).
> >
> > Perhaps I am the only one who sees it like this.  Anyone else have any
> > comments?
>
> Frankly saying I agree with you.
>
> Just that was request from Paolo.
> I also do not like idea throw exception in this case.
>
> Paolo, do you agree with arguments of John ?
>
> I think we should disable back this exception.
> Ivan?
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
>
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
>
>
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> Valentina-beta mailing list
> Valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net
> http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-beta
>
>
>
> --
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 19/05/2005
>
>

From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Thu May 26 18:36:48 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Thu May 26 17:37:09 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEBC174D.324CA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBC174D.324CA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <30A95756-A2A9-4183-AB79-4D9A1AB34F8C@vermontsoftworks.com>

On May 26, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> Please try this build and let us know

Well, opening a database in fc3 I created with fc2 yields this crash  
log:

EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xbf7fffd0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0    0x1090000 + 38944
1     
GetPage__Q23fbl5CacheFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Aspect_Cached>Uxb + 
  172
2     
GetPage__Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePageCFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Asp 
ect_Cached>Ux + 96
3     
LinkToPage__Q23fbl105FileIterator_Cached<Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePage,Q23 
fbl20Policy_Write_OnePage,Q23fbl19Policy_PageLimit_No>Fb + 276
4    Read__Q23fbl24FileIterator_Cached_BaseFPcUl + 60
5     
ReadNode__3fblFQ23fbl33smart_ptr<Q23fbl14I_FileIterator>RQ23fbl11RBTree_ 
Node + 92
6    Right__Q23fbl11RBTree_NodeCFv + 420
7     
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair< 
Ul,Ul> + 108
8     
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair< 
Ul,Ul> + 124
9     
SearchR__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeCFRCPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair< 
Ul,Ul> + 124


I get the same log if I create a new db in fc3, close it, and re-open  
it.  It may be relevant that when I call ValentinaShutdown, I get a  
VException.  I'm going on a short trip this evening through tomorrow  
night and therefore won't be able to follow up further before  
Saturday, but if there are still any outstanding questions then, I'll  
be happy to help.

All the best,

-- Erik

From jda at his.com  Thu May 26 18:39:02 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 26 17:39:16 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEBC194E.324D2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBC194E.324D2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002001bebc00399d30@[10.0.1.5]>

>On 5/27/05 12:23 AM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:
>
>>  On 5/26/05 5:16 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:
>>
>>>  Please try this build and let us know
>>
>>  Link says fc2. That's wrong, no?
>
>Ops, wrong
>
>Use
>
>       http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg
>

Sorry, still get -38 errors. Then crashes. And everything feels very S-L-O-W.

Please just try my project...

Jon
From jda at his.com  Thu May 26 19:12:02 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Thu May 26 18:12:20 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bebc00399d30@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBC194E.324D2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002001bebc00399d30@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <p06002002bebc07fd6ef4@[10.0.1.5]>

Ruslan, even the Table_Create project (Classes Way) gives a -38 error 
when I press the Create Db files button.

Jon
From macsforever2000 at goodeast.com  Thu May 26 19:32:28 2005
From: macsforever2000 at goodeast.com (Frank Schima)
Date: Thu May 26 20:32:48 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bebc00399d30@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBC194E.324D2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002001bebc00399d30@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <87f36154042efd08927cb99477714b28@goodeast.com>


On May 26, 2005, at 4:39 PM, jda wrote:

>> On 5/27/05 12:23 AM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 5/26/05 5:16 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Please try this build and let us know
>>>
>>>  Link says fc2. That's wrong, no?
>>
>> Ops, wrong
>>
>> Use
>>
>>       http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg
>>
>
> Sorry, still get -38 errors. Then crashes. And everything feels very 
> S-L-O-W.

Yes, I see the same problem again too.


Best regards,
-Frank Schima

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 08:08:14 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 00:08:30 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <p06002002bebc07fd6ef4@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEBC85EE.32543%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 2:12 AM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

> Ruslan, even the Table_Create project (Classes Way) gives a -38 error
> when I press the Create Db files button.

I get -38 not on create but on close.
Strange.

In any case we will debug this now.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 10:06:39 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 02:06:59 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bebc00399d30@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEBCA1AF.32562%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 1:39 AM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:


We have found bug.

One change did not go into MAC branch of code.

Now Class_way/Table_Create works.
And viSQL after that can open that db,

So there is hope it will work on your side also.

Let us know.

Please download it again.
Still marked as fc3

       http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 10:14:15 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 02:14:54 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <001e01c5623d$a2aad940$a5231e97@vmtrm4p9ipbkv2>
Message-ID: <BEBCA377.32564%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 12:55 AM, "info@vallemediatime.com" <info@vallemediatime.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ruslan and Jon
> I've read now your thead...
> I think that the question is:
> if the user try to link: T1 f1 <---> T2 f1 and after he request a new bad
> copy of the same link...

But will NO be new link!!!

    if record 3 and 5 already linked then nothing will happens.

So you will NOT get 2 links between 3-5.


> as it is better to perceive the user and to prevent the duplication of the
> link? In the v2.0.3 the command is ignored, but the bad user can't undestand
> it...

Will NOT be duplication

If you want warn user that link exists then you need check if link exists
using 

    IsLinked( 3, 5 )

Then only do 

    LinkRecords( 3, 5 )


> However I need to think about this with a real application and I want wait
> the next 2.0.4 upgrade for test it.

We will remove exception.
Ivan please remove this exception. It was wrong idea.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 12:23:59 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 04:24:18 2005
Subject: [V4RB 0000616]: Database takes a long time to open
In-Reply-To: <opsosheaai89q8tn@mbhp>
Message-ID: <BEBCC1DF.3257D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 4/6/05 5:33 AM, "Mike Bierly" <mwbierly@comcast.net> wrote:

> Ruslan,
> 
> Here's a stuffit file with the database that is taking a long time to
> open. I hope that it's very apparent what the issue is.

Hi Mike,

At last of end we are ready to test your db.

I have try to open it with 2.0.4 fc3  in viSQL

It opens is less than second

So I think this problem resolved.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Fri May 27 07:27:21 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Fri May 27 06:27:41 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <BEBCA1AF.32562%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBCA1AF.32562%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002000bebcb479b387@[10.0.1.5]>

After install I don't see V4RB folder.

And my app crashes on launch...

Jon


>
>
>We have found bug.
>
>One change did not go into MAC branch of code.
>
>Now Class_way/Table_Create works.
>And viSQL after that can open that db,
>
>So there is hope it will work on your side also.
>
>Let us know.
>
>Please download it again.
>Still marked as fc3
>
>        http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg
>
From valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com  Fri May 27 08:10:39 2005
From: valentina-list at vermontsoftworks.com (Erik Mueller-Harder)
Date: Fri May 27 07:10:56 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bebcb479b387@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBCA1AF.32562%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bebcb479b387@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <31434DF9-75E8-409B-942A-8DC649D8AAE4@vermontsoftworks.com>

On May 27, 2005, at 7:27 AM, jda wrote:

> After install I don't see V4RB folder.
>
> And my app crashes on launch...

I don't see a V4RB folder either -- nor was I asked where I want to  
install it (other than the volume name).

-- Erik

From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 16:42:50 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 08:43:00 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <31434DF9-75E8-409B-942A-8DC649D8AAE4@vermontsoftworks.com>
Message-ID: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 3:10 PM, "Erik Mueller-Harder"
<valentina-list@vermontsoftworks.com> wrote:

> On May 27, 2005, at 7:27 AM, jda wrote:
> 
>> After install I don't see V4RB folder.
>> 
>> And my app crashes on launch...
> 
> I don't see a V4RB folder either -- nor was I asked where I want to
> install it (other than the volume name).

Yes, Frank also have point this. Strange glitches...

New archive is on the way...few minutes yet...

DONE. 

Please try new archive
    
    http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From Claudius at sailer-online.de  Fri May 27 16:58:02 2005
From: Claudius at sailer-online.de (Claudius Sailer)
Date: Fri May 27 09:58:13 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <F70E546E-BA05-4896-B090-6E667FDFD0DC@sailer-online.de>


Am 27. Mai 2005 um 15:42 Uhr schrieb Ruslan Zasukhin:

> On 5/27/05 3:10 PM, "Erik Mueller-Harder"
> <valentina-list@vermontsoftworks.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On May 27, 2005, at 7:27 AM, jda wrote:
>>
>>
>>> After install I don't see V4RB folder.
>>>
>>> And my app crashes on launch...
>>>
>>
>> I don't see a V4RB folder either -- nor was I asked where I want to
>> install it (other than the volume name).
>>
>
> Yes, Frank also have point this. Strange glitches...
>
> New archive is on the way...few minutes yet...
>
> DONE.
>
> Please try new archive
>
>     http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg

here it works now. Thanks


Claudius

-- 
G4/733 QS / MacOS X 10.4de / RB 5.5.5/ Valentina 1.10.0 & 2.0.4
Homepage    http://www.ClaSai.de
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From jda at his.com  Fri May 27 10:59:32 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Fri May 27 09:59:38 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <F70E546E-BA05-4896-B090-6E667FDFD0DC@sailer-online.de>
References: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<F70E546E-BA05-4896-B090-6E667FDFD0DC@sailer-online.de>
Message-ID: <p06002010bebce633367d@[137.187.213.114]>

>>
>>
>>New archive is on the way...few minutes yet...
>>
>>DONE.
>>
>>Please try new archive
>>
>>     http://www.paradigmasoft.com/download/V4RB_204fc3_mac.dmg
>
>here it works now. Thanks
>

Yes, third time (or fourth?...I lost count) is a charm.

Jon
From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Fri May 27 11:02:16 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Fri May 27 10:02:22 2005
Subject: Compression bug
Message-ID: <BEBCAEB8.39959%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

I no longer get an error when I use the compressor, thank you.

How can I find out how much the data has been compressed? Where can I get
statistics on how much space the data uses compressed and uncompressed?

In other words, how can I know that it's really doing something?

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From ayu8 at cdc.gov  Fri May 27 11:26:59 2005
From: ayu8 at cdc.gov (Sims, John)
Date: Fri May 27 10:35:10 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
Message-ID: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F0124266A@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>

> But will NO be new link!!!
> 
>     if record 3 and 5 already linked then nothing will happens.
> 
> So you will NOT get 2 links between 3-5.
> 
> 
> > as it is better to perceive the user and to prevent the 
> duplication of 
> > the link? In the v2.0.3 the command is ignored, but the bad 
> user can't 
> > undestand it...
> 
> Will NOT be duplication
> 
> If you want warn user that link exists then you need check if 
> link exists using 
> 
>     IsLinked( 3, 5 )
> 
> Then only do 
> 
>     LinkRecords( 3, 5 )
> 
> 
> > However I need to think about this with a real application 
> and I want 
> > wait the next 2.0.4 upgrade for test it.
> 
> We will remove exception.
> Ivan please remove this exception. It was wrong idea.
> 

Hi Ruslan,

Has the exception been removed for fc3 or will it be fc4?

Thanks.

-John

From jda at his.com  Fri May 27 11:36:24 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Fri May 27 10:36:29 2005
Subject: Escape and REGEX still not right
In-Reply-To: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002012bebcee561e74@[137.187.213.114]>

Hi Ruslan,

With FC3 I can now search for { again.\

But this search for \ (backslash) fails:

      select id,hit from thereferences where (allFields REGEX 
'(?i)\\') order by id

Note that I run \ through escapeString first (textToFind = '\'):

             textToFind = Valentina.escapeString(textToFind, true)


This returns 0 hits, when it should return one.

And after a couple of runs I get a crash:

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   icuin30_cw.shlb                	0x02806d20 0x2772000 + 609568
1   icuin30_cw.shlb                	0x02805770 0x2772000 + 604016
2   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x022d43b4 
Is_Match__Q23fbl5RegExCFRCQ23fbl6String + 120
3   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x022d42b0 
_cl__Q23fbl27Predicate_Field_RegEx_ValueCFQ23fbl26smart_ptr<CQ23fbl7I_Value> 
+ 60
4   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x022efc68 
DoFormula__Q23fbl15SearchByFormulaFUlQ23fbl26smart_ptr<CQ23fbl7I_Value> 
+ 136
5   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x022d5b90 
DoFormulaForField__Q23fbl10UseFormulaFv + 580
6   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x022d5908 
DoFormula__Q23fbl10UseFormulaFv + 16
7   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb       	0x022d5884 
Run__Q23fbl10UseFormulaFv + 88
From jda at his.com  Fri May 27 12:54:51 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Fri May 27 11:54:57 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc3 uploaded  *AGAIN*
In-Reply-To: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEBCFE8A.325BA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p0600201bbebd011b84b6@[137.187.213.114]>

I spoke too soon. I can open my app and use it. But when I run it 
again (and it has to open a file I made the first time) I get an 
error: Embedded file "" is not opened.

I'll send this file to Ruslan.

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 20:17:21 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 12:17:28 2005
Subject: valentina and excel
In-Reply-To: <E1CB2E7B-CECF-11D9-ABDA-000A2789D310@hyperactive.to>
Message-ID: <BEBD30D1.325EE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 7:53 PM, "Evelyn Wong" <evelyn@hyperactive.to> wrote:

>> But we do not make it as always grow sequence.
> 
> not sure what you meant by this?

You can make 

    ULONG autoincrement

* Its values are based on RecID values in fact
    i.e. It can reuse values.

* We do not see problems with such behavior.

* We know that e.g. MS SQL Server also do this, especially if it use
replication.

* so our     ULONG autoincrement  field
    do not eat disk space at all

 
> On Friday, May 27, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
>> On 5/27/05 7:37 PM, "Evelyn Wong" <evelyn@hyperactive.to> wrote:
>> 
>>> is there an auto-increment feature? i remember a couple of years ago,
>>> there wasn't.
>> 
>> We have add it into latest 2.04fc3 build.
>> 

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 20:22:21 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 12:22:28 2005
Subject: Compression bug
In-Reply-To: <BEBCAEB8.39959%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBD31FD.32605%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 6:02 PM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

Hi Kem

> I no longer get an error when I use the compressor, thank you.

Good.
 
> How can I find out how much the data has been compressed? Where can I get
> statistics on how much space the data uses compressed and uncompressed?
> 
> In other words, how can I know that it's really doing something?

Hmm,  I think no way.

    VBLOB.DataSize

Returns you size of NOT compressed data.
You have no ascess to actual size that is used.

If you want just compare for test, then make 2 dbs with on and off
compression

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri May 27 20:53:55 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 12:54:02 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F0124266A@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BEBD3963.32642%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 6:26 PM, "Sims, John" <ayu8@cdc.gov> wrote:

>> 
>> We will remove exception.
>> Ivan please remove this exception. It was wrong idea.
>> 
> 
> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> Has the exception been removed for fc3 or will it be fc4?

They was added in 2.04fc1 and will be removed in fc4 or later

They still here in fc3

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ayu8 at cdc.gov  Fri May 27 13:56:11 2005
From: ayu8 at cdc.gov (Sims, John)
Date: Fri May 27 12:59:22 2005
Subject: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
Message-ID: <BC4104335DD3FC409769B6192CBE214F0124266D@m-ncbddd-1.ncbddd.cdc.gov>

Thanks, Ruslan.

-John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: valentina-beta-bounces@lists.macserve.net 
> [mailto:valentina-beta-bounces@lists.macserve.net] On Behalf 
> Of Ruslan Zasukhin
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:54 PM
> To: valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net
> Subject: Re: [ANN] V4RB 2.0.4fc2 uploaded
> 
> 
> On 5/27/05 6:26 PM, "Sims, John" <ayu8@cdc.gov> wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >> We will remove exception.
> >> Ivan please remove this exception. It was wrong idea.
> >> 
> > 
> > Hi Ruslan,
> > 
> > Has the exception been removed for fc3 or will it be fc4?
> 
> They was added in 2.04fc1 and will be removed in fc4 or later
> 
> They still here in fc3
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> 
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
> 
> 
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> Valentina-beta@lists.macserve.net 
> http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina-beta
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From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Fri May 27 16:56:14 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Fri May 27 15:56:20 2005
Subject: Compression bug
In-Reply-To: <BEBD31FD.32605%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBD01AE.39A21%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/27/05 1:22 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> If you want just compare for test, then make 2 dbs with on and off
> compression

Yes, I did that on a small database, and it was smaller. Still, it would be
nice to know the statistics.

I'll think about whether I want to put this in as a feature request in
Mantis. I imagine it would only take 5 minutes to implement.

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 28 00:01:12 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri May 27 16:01:21 2005
Subject: Compression bug
In-Reply-To: <BEBD01AE.39A21%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBD6548.326CA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/27/05 11:56 PM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> On 5/27/05 1:22 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:
> 
>> If you want just compare for test, then make 2 dbs with on and off
>> compression
> 
> Yes, I did that on a small database, and it was smaller. Still, it would be
> nice to know the statistics.
> 
> I'll think about whether I want to put this in as a feature request in
> Mantis. I imagine it would only take 5 minutes to implement.

ok

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Fri May 27 22:44:05 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Fri May 27 21:44:11 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
Message-ID: <BEBD5335.39A9F%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

There is some problem with fc3, but I wish I could be more specific than
that. I am running an app in the IDE that collects e-mails from a server.
Previously, I have run this program up to about 30,000 records without a
problem. Now, with essentially the same code, it is quitting without warning
somewhere about 4,000. Afterwards, I cannot open the program again without
an instant crash or a Vexception (internal error). Vstudio is unable to
diagnose the db either.

The only difference here is that I am using the compressor. I am going to
turn that off now to see if it makes a difference. I'll report back
tomorrow.

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From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Sat May 28 00:35:08 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Fri May 27 23:35:19 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBD5335.39A9F%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBD6D3C.39AD3%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/27/05 10:44 PM, Kem Tekinay at ktekinay@mactechnologies.com wrote:

> The only difference here is that I am using the compressor. I am going to
> turn that off now to see if it makes a difference. I'll report back
> tomorrow.

Well, I am now at 8,700 records and counting so it would seem to be the
compressor. Any suggestions as to how I could narrow this down?

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 28 08:04:16 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 28 00:04:22 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBD6D3C.39AD3%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBDD680.32797%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/28/05 7:35 AM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> On 5/27/05 10:44 PM, Kem Tekinay at ktekinay@mactechnologies.com wrote:
> 
>> The only difference here is that I am using the compressor. I am going to
>> turn that off now to see if it makes a difference. I'll report back
>> tomorrow.
> 
> Well, I am now at 8,700 records and counting so it would seem to be the
> compressor. Any suggestions as to how I could narrow this down?

We need project Kem

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Sat May 28 01:18:48 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Sat May 28 00:18:55 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBDD680.32797%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBD7778.39AE2%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/28/05 1:04 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> We need project Kem

It quits without even an exception, so this will be a bit of a challenge. As
I said, I'll entertain suggestions.

Will the crash log help at all?

(BTW, it is now up to 11,389 records so I am now convinced that it is the
compressor.)

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 28 08:21:17 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 28 00:21:24 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBD7778.39AE2%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBDDA7D.327A0%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/28/05 8:18 AM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> On 5/28/05 1:04 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:
> 
>> We need project Kem
> 
> It quits without even an exception, so this will be a bit of a challenge. As
> I said, I'll entertain suggestions.
> 
> Will the crash log help at all?

yes
 
> (BTW, it is now up to 11,389 records so I am now convinced that it is the
> compressor.)

Ok

Records are so big ?

I wonder that it seems it slow.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Sat May 28 01:30:13 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Sat May 28 00:30:21 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBDDA7D.327A0%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBD7A25.39AEA%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/28/05 1:21 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

>> Will the crash log help at all?
> 
> yes

At the end of this message.

> Ok
> 
> Records are so big ?
> 
> I wonder that it seems it slow.

It varies, but I am not local to the server so I am not concerned with the
speed.


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Host Name:      MacTechnologies-Desktop
Date/Time:      2005-05-27 18:37:55.341 -0400
OS Version:     10.4.1 (Build 8B15)
Report Version: 3

Command: crashdump
Path:    /usr/libexec/crashdump
Parent:  crashreporterd [94]

Version: ??? (???)

PID:    16310
Thread: 0

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Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

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8   crashdump             0x00002338 0x1000 + 4920
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**********

Host Name:      MacTechnologies-Desktop
Date/Time:      2005-05-27 22:24:46.237 -0400
OS Version:     10.4.1 (Build 8B15)
Report Version: 3

Command: crashdump
Path:    /usr/libexec/crashdump
Parent:  crashreporterd [94]

Version: ??? (???)

PID:    23860
Thread: 0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

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8   crashdump             0x00002338 0x1000 + 4920
9   crashdump             0x000021d8 0x1000 + 4568

Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State:
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    cr: 0x24000448  xer: 0x00000000   lr: 0x90011084  ctr: 0x90003240
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    r8: 0x000d6000   r9: 0x00000000  r10: 0x000d6323  r11: 0xa00063fc
   r12: 0x90003240  r13: 0x00000000  r14: 0x00000321  r15: 0xffffffff
   r16: 0xa000dd44  r17: 0x00000000  r18: 0x00000073  r19: 0xbffff278
   r20: 0x00000000  r21: 0x00000002  r22: 0x00000000  r23: 0x00000000
   r24: 0xbffff984  r25: 0x00000000  r26: 0x00000003  r27: 0x000d6000
   r28: 0xa0001fdc  r29: 0x00000321  r30: 0x00000002  r31: 0x9000fbf8

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 28 08:43:33 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 28 00:43:42 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBD7A25.39AEA%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBDDFB5.327AA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/28/05 8:30 AM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> **********
> 
> Host Name:      MacTechnologies-Desktop
> Date/Time:      2005-05-27 18:37:55.341 -0400
> OS Version:     10.4.1 (Build 8B15)
> Report Version: 3
> 
> Command: crashdump
> Path:    /usr/libexec/crashdump
> Parent:  crashreporterd [94]
> 
> Version: ??? (???)
> 
> PID:    16310
> Thread: 0
> 
> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
> 
> Thread 0 Crashed:
> 0   libSystem.B.dylib     0x90003248 strlen + 8
> 1   libSystem.B.dylib     0x90011084 __vfprintf + 5268
> 2   libSystem.B.dylib     0x900fa088 vfprintf_l + 124
> 3   libSystem.B.dylib     0x90014430 fprintf + 112

So it crashes in strlen(), because it was passed NULL pointer.

Igor, you have ideas where we call fprintf() ?
May be ZIP library do this ???

Igor, try the next idea:
    try compress NULL pointer data.

If will be crash then just add protection from NULL pointer.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Sat May 28 05:25:00 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Sat May 28 04:25:10 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBDDFB5.327AA%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBDB12C.39B1A%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/28/05 1:43 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> So it crashes in strlen(), because it was passed NULL pointer.
> 
> Igor, you have ideas where we call fprintf() ?
> May be ZIP library do this ???
> 
> Igor, try the next idea:
>     try compress NULL pointer data.
> 
> If will be crash then just add protection from NULL pointer.

I discovered that it is not a particular record that causes the crash, but
rather the memory used as fc3 runs. With the compressor turned on, Valentina
consumes RAM at an alarming rate. For example, my project uses about 90 MB
without the compressor, and remains in that range even after hours. But with
the compressor, the RAM usage keeps climbing. I finally quit my app after it
hit 600 MB.

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 28 13:18:08 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 28 05:18:21 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBDB12C.39B1A%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBE2010.327E8%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/28/05 12:25 PM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> On 5/28/05 1:43 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:
> 
>> So it crashes in strlen(), because it was passed NULL pointer.
>> 
>> Igor, you have ideas where we call fprintf() ?
>> May be ZIP library do this ???
>> 
>> Igor, try the next idea:
>>     try compress NULL pointer data.
>> 
>> If will be crash then just add protection from NULL pointer.
> 
> I discovered that it is not a particular record that causes the crash, but
> rather the memory used as fc3 runs. With the compressor turned on, Valentina
> consumes RAM at an alarming rate. For example, my project uses about 90 MB
> without the compressor, and remains in that range even after hours. But with
> the compressor, the RAM usage keeps climbing. I finally quit my app after it
> hit 600 MB.

Looks to be leak. 

Igor check leaks in tets


-- 
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Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Sat May 28 09:36:11 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Sat May 28 08:36:18 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBE2010.327E8%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBDEC0B.39B57%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/28/05 6:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> Looks to be leak.
> 
> Igor check leaks in tets

Thanks. Should I also file in Mantis? I won't have time to create a test
project for several days.

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May 28 17:03:20 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat May 28 09:03:25 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBDEC0B.39B57%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BEBE54D8.3281F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/28/05 4:36 PM, "Kem Tekinay" <ktekinay@mactechnologies.com> wrote:

> On 5/28/05 6:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:
> 
>> Looks to be leak.
>> 
>> Igor check leaks in tets
> 
> Thanks. Should I also file in Mantis? I won't have time to create a test
> project for several days.

Already fixed

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Sat May 28 19:49:09 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Sat May 28 18:49:14 2005
Subject: [V4RB] Problem with fc3
In-Reply-To: <BEBE54D8.3281F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEBE7BB5.39C58%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/28/05 10:03 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> Already fixed

Excellent!

When do we get it?

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From jda at his.com  Mon May 30 10:07:24 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 30 09:07:36 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bebcb479b387@[10.0.1.5]>
References: <BEBCA1AF.32562%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<p06002000bebcb479b387@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbec0ce25da83@[10.0.1.5]>

Hi Ruslan,

With this FC release I've found that if I quit my app while it's in 
the debugger (Command-K) I can often corrupt databases. This happens 
even when I'm not adding or deleting references, just doing searches 
and the like. This didn't happen in previous releases -- maybe due to 
the new cached data? Anyway, here's an example of a crash log when I 
try to open one of these databases:

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   MSL_All_Carbon.Shlb      	0x00561804 0x558000 + 38916
1   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x02202ee8 
GetPage__Q23fbl5CacheFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Aspect_Cached>Uxb 
+ 172
2   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x02202d90 
GetPage__Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePageCFQ23fbl37smart_ptr<Q23fbl18File_Aspect_Cached>Ux 
+ 96
3   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x02202b5c 
LinkToPage__Q23fbl105FileIterator_Cached<Q23fbl19Policy_Read_OnePage,Q23fbl20Policy_Write_OnePage,Q23fbl19Policy_PageLimit_No>Fb 
+ 276
4   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x021f7eb0 
Read__Q23fbl24FileIterator_Cached_BaseFPcUl + 60
5   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d6890 
ReadNode__3fblFQ23fbl33smart_ptr<Q23fbl14I_FileIterator>RQ23fbl11RBTree_Node 
+ 92
6   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d7378 Left__Q23fbl11RBTree_NodeCFv + 452
7   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d8238 
Is2Node__Q23fbl11RBTree_NodeCFv + 112
8   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d7c60 
PeekRight__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeFRPQ23fbl11RBTree_Node + 204
9   Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d7a98 
SearchRB__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeFRPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair<Ul,Ul> 
+ 88
10  Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d7ab0 
SearchRB__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeFRPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair<Ul,Ul> 
+ 112
11  Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d7ab0 
SearchRB__Q23fbl17SegmentMap_RBTreeFRPQ23fbl11RBTree_NodeRQ23std11pair<Ul,Ul> 
+ 112
12  Kernel_Carbon_Final.shlb 	0x025d7ab0
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May 30 19:37:08 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon May 30 11:37:22 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <p0600200cbec0ce25da83@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEC11BE4.32AD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/30/05 5:07 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

Hi Jon,

> With this FC release I've found that if I quit my app while it's in
> the debugger (Command-K) I can often corrupt databases. This happens
> even when I'm not adding or deleting references, just doing searches
> and the like. This didn't happen in previous releases -- maybe due to
> the new cached data? Anyway, here's an example of a crash log when I
> try to open one of these databases:

Yes, looks as something is not flushed.

Please keep eye:

    after flush -- if stop debugger -- does db corrupts.

After flush it never should


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Mon May 30 13:49:18 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 30 12:49:23 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <BEC11BE4.32AD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEC11BE4.32AD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002002bec1026c0ca5@[10.0.1.5]>

>  > With this FC release I've found that if I quit my app while it's in
>>  the debugger (Command-K) I can often corrupt databases. This happens
>>  even when I'm not adding or deleting references, just doing searches
>>  and the like. This didn't happen in previous releases -- maybe due to
>>  the new cached data? Anyway, here's an example of a crash log when I
>>  try to open one of these databases:
>
>Yes, looks as something is not flushed.
>
>Please keep eye:
>
>     after flush -- if stop debugger -- does db corrupts.
>
>After flush it never should
>

Yes, that's why I said I had not modified any data. So no need to 
flush (I am pretty careful about flushing whenever any data is 
added/deleted)...

Jon
From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Mon May 30 13:56:04 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Mon May 30 12:56:13 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <BEC11BE4.32AD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <BEC0CBF4.39EF5%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/30/05 12:37 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin at sunshine@public.kherson.ua wrote:

> Yes, looks as something is not flushed.
> 
> Please keep eye:
> 
>     after flush -- if stop debugger -- does db corrupts.
> 
> After flush it never should

I just ran a test and it corrupted for me.

Steps:

- Add a number of records. The last step is "Flush".

- While program is idle, force-quit.

After that, I cannot get back into the database.

My structure uses five tables and four Binary one-to-many links.

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From jda at his.com  Mon May 30 14:33:10 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Mon May 30 13:33:21 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <BEC0CBF4.39EF5%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
References: <BEC0CBF4.39EF5%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <p06002003bec10c6e650a@[10.0.1.5]>

>I just ran a test and it corrupted for me.
>
>Steps:
>
>- Add a number of records. The last step is "Flush".
>
>- While program is idle, force-quit.
>
>After that, I cannot get back into the database.
>
>My structure uses five tables and four Binary one-to-many links.
>

Hi Ruslan,

This reminds me, I've had 2 or three reports in the last week of 
users having corrupted references after having a crash during import 
of records.

I do a flush right before the import, and a flush right after the 
import (if there is more than one record, I flush after every 500).

So why is the database getting corrupted? Do I have to flush after 
*every* record is imported? That would certainly slow things down a 
lot...

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue May 31 09:22:04 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May 31 01:22:08 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <p06002003bec10c6e650a@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEC1DD3C.32BE2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/30/05 9:33 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> This reminds me, I've had 2 or three reports in the last week of
> users having corrupted references after having a crash during import
> of records.

Well, crash during WRITE is the worse crash
 
> I do a flush right before the import, and a flush right after the
> import (if there is more than one record, I flush after every 500).

It is not important that you do it before import
Import itself do writes
 
> So why is the database getting corrupted? Do I have to flush after
> *every* record is imported? That would certainly slow things down a
> lot...

Ah, you have own import ?

You can flush after each 100 or 1000 imported records.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Tue May 31 08:01:26 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Tue May 31 07:01:37 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <BEC1DD3C.32BE2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEC1DD3C.32BE2%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p06002003bec20239f62d@[10.0.1.5]>

>  > I do a flush right before the import, and a flush right after the
>>  import (if there is more than one record, I flush after every 500).
>
>It is not important that you do it before import
>Import itself do writes
>
>>  So why is the database getting corrupted? Do I have to flush after
>>  *every* record is imported? That would certainly slow things down a
>>  lot...
>
>Ah, you have own import ?
>
>You can flush after each 100 or 1000 imported records.
>

I flush after every 500 right now (and after the last one). But 
usually people import 1 or 2 at a time. What can I do, if anything, 
to prevent corruption (other than, I suppose, creating a db in RAM, 
import to that, and then transferring to the real database, which 
might work but I image would be pretty slow)?

Jon
From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue May 31 20:07:24 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue May 31 12:07:32 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <p06002003bec20239f62d@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BEC2747C.32CD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/31/05 3:01 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:

> I flush after every 500 right now (and after the last one). But
> usually people import 1 or 2 at a time. What can I do, if anything,
> to prevent corruption (other than, I suppose, creating a db in RAM,
> import to that, and then transferring to the real database, which
> might work but I image would be pretty slow)?

But you again can get corruption during transfer.
In ideal we need transactions and double record of data.

Why happens crash during import?

You can reproduce crash ?

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


From jda at his.com  Tue May 31 14:47:29 2005
From: jda at his.com (jda)
Date: Tue May 31 13:47:35 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <BEC2747C.32CD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <BEC2747C.32CD3%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbec26176cb40@[137.187.213.114]>

>On 5/31/05 3:01 PM, "jda" <jda@his.com> wrote:
>
>>  I flush after every 500 right now (and after the last one). But
>>  usually people import 1 or 2 at a time. What can I do, if anything,
>>  to prevent corruption (other than, I suppose, creating a db in RAM,
>>  import to that, and then transferring to the real database, which
>>  might work but I image would be pretty slow)?
>
>But you again can get corruption during transfer.
>In ideal we need transactions and double record of data.
>
>Why happens crash during import?
>
>You can reproduce crash ?
>

No, the crash was in my user's experience. I can get the corrupt 
database, perhaps, but that's too late.

Kem said he had a reproducible way of corrupting a database with no 
read/write going on -- did you get his database to test (and if not, 
Kem, could you send it)?

Jon
From ktekinay at mactechnologies.com  Tue May 31 16:56:59 2005
From: ktekinay at mactechnologies.com (Kem Tekinay)
Date: Tue May 31 15:57:11 2005
Subject: Damaged dbs when killing app in debugger
In-Reply-To: <p0600200fbec26176cb40@[137.187.213.114]>
Message-ID: <BEC247DB.3A15B%ktekinay@mactechnologies.com>

On 5/31/05 2:47 PM, jda at jda@his.com wrote:

> Kem said he had a reproducible way of corrupting a database with no
> read/write going on -- did you get his database to test (and if not,
> Kem, could you send it)?

My database is pretty complex and relies on plug-ins (Einhugur) so I didn't
send it.

I can reproduce it every time. My database has five tables and four binary
links (O::M). One table has the master records, the other four tables are
linked to it. I added a number of records in series, then Flush. If I
force-quit at that point, the database is corrupted.

Ruslan, if you think my program will help you, I will send it. I trust you
to keep it confidential.

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